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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2012 3:11 p.m. PST

Im offten interested in collecting Ancient Egypttians when I see well painted minis. One thing stopping me is that Im a solo gamer and I dont know who to collect historically as an enemy.

Im familiam with Kadesh, the Hittites, the Nubians & Sea Peoples, but not much else.

As for the poll, what historicall enemy of the Egyptians presents the bests games time & time again?

Yesthatphil25 Jul 2012 3:42 p.m. PST

I have been running a (Version 3) DBA participation game (Lords of the Nile) pitting Early Libyan against the Egyptians (NK)..

It has proved surprisingly well balanced and entertaining.

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The opponents at Megiddo are a Canaanite coalition. Megiddo is a fascinating battle to try to reconstruct.

Good luck

Phil

Tarty2Ts25 Jul 2012 3:59 p.m. PST

Yes I would go along with what Phil said. I've run NK Egyptians for many years now and while I like the big chariot actions which Hittites produce against them, some of the most interesting games have been with Libyans or Sea peoples. Sea Peoples are quiet a dangerous bronze age army in the right hands, a good mix of warbands light troops and enough chariots to be of concern.

kreoseus225 Jul 2012 4:04 p.m. PST

There is hyksos as well.

Ron W DuBray25 Jul 2012 4:22 p.m. PST

their own gods.

altfritz25 Jul 2012 6:08 p.m. PST

The Assyrians

John the OFM25 Jul 2012 6:24 p.m. PST

Vikings.

John the OFM25 Jul 2012 6:49 p.m. PST

I was just being facetious.
Going by WRG or DBM tournament matchups, the most likely opponents would be Late Middle Early Macedonian Asiatic Successors, or Sicilian Hohenstaufen.

skippy000125 Jul 2012 8:48 p.m. PST

Moses' Long March campaign.

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Nothing wrong with a Imagi-Kingdom campaign

Keraunos25 Jul 2012 11:47 p.m. PST

john inhabits a different historical gaming world from the rest of us.

I believe its called the united states, where the conception of time is more fluid and guys only ever seem to own one army in any major period (one WW2, one Ancients, one Napoleonic) which they expect everyone to let them use every time.

Phil has a much more british approach to a historical enemy. one you can find examples of in a published history book.

GarrisonMiniatures26 Jul 2012 12:07 a.m. PST

That's because the US hasn't been around long enough yet.

Yesthatphil26 Jul 2012 2:22 a.m. PST

You will get me into trouble, Keraunos …

For the record, either side of the Atlantic, I have no major issue with WRG's traditional concept of 'historical' by prototype (so the game is historical because your army endeavours as best possible to follow the look and organisation of its historical prototype: the rules then allow you to play games with it of a generic nature against other players whose armies are also historically plausible measured against their prototype). I think this kind of generic game is common enough although it is often misunderstood by players used to the conventions of other periods.

But Uesugi Kenshin asked, of course, for _historical enemies – and I was happy enough to help as, whilst I'll happily play a prototypes battlegame, I am also fascinated by historical battle and like to collect both sides.

Mind you, in the first two posts we got from Thutmose III to Ramesses III, so around 300 years (so a period as big as from our own time to Marlborough) … it is all relative.

That said, I'd decline the Imagi-Kingdoms campaign (that sounds more like 'minis gaming' to me!)

Phil

Karpathian26 Jul 2012 5:54 a.m. PST

Mycenaeans.

John the Greater26 Jul 2012 6:48 a.m. PST

I have always liked the Sea Peoples vs Egyptians. The armies are very unlike. Hittites are fun, especially as the other guys in my regular group have painted up the chariots.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2012 8:03 a.m. PST

Which Egyptians? Old Kingdom, the Nubians spring to mind – Middle Kingdom, Nubians, Punt and each other – but for most people, it is the New Kingdom that they think of when they think of Egyptians (mine are all New Kingdom)

Hyksos, Hittites and Sea Peoples/Libyans – Assayrians as well

Don196226 Jul 2012 7:25 p.m. PST

Best opponent? Sea Peoples all the way!!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2012 8:32 p.m. PST

@Frederick I left the definition of "Ancient Epyptians" deliberately vague.

Altius27 Jul 2012 8:39 a.m. PST

I've got New Kingdom Egyptians and Sea Peoples, and that gives a pretty good fight. However, you might get a more balanced fight if you put them up against another chariot army like the Canaanites or the Hittites.

Personal logo optional field Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2012 5:12 p.m. PST

What rules are you using?

In WRG/DBX Libyans are an easy and cheap to paint opponent (tons of figure psiloi bases) and a decent challenge if the terrain is right.

The Egyptians fought their share of civil wars, so that's another option that might require no new troops at all.

If you want a flexible group of opponents a Canaanite/Assyrian/Babylonian might be a good option since many of the troops will be identical between them.

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