"The Strange Case of the Tango Haters" Topic

It has come to my attention that one or more of our users is conducting a harassment campaign against Tango01.

I have Locked the accounts of ITSNEWS (formerly known as QUENTIN BLAKE and QUENT B) and UncSam – which are the same person – as well as the account of 3KNOWNOW (formerly known as HTDUCK2000 and NOTACLUE2012) (which is working with the other accounts, and may be the same person).

I have attempted to have a discussion with ITSNEWS, but the person does not answer my questions, and his replies are erratic and incomprehensible. As near as I can tell, he is convinced that Tango01 is attempting to influence TMP's readership in some sort of covert strategy, accuses him of having multiple accounts and of being a "sock puppet," and claims to know where he works and has threatened to contact his employer. I have asked for evidence for his claims, but he has not provided any.

You know, they say that rye flour was the cause of the witch trials…. hmmm….

Tango posts lots of interesting topics.

And one more sock puppet: Buckeye Bob2 (formerly known as Have2CTHIS).

I think Tango posts some good stuff, especially when he finds cool hobby links.

I do think he unintentionally crosses the Current Affairs lines once in a while with some of his topics and the articles he posts within. Unlike some folks that post controversial stuff though, I do not think he is intentionally trolling, I think he just doesn't see the the trainwreck potential in the posted articles.

They apparently believe that Tango01 is secretly trying to promote the wargaming studies program at the University of Wolverhampton, by linking to one of their webpages.

And in a surprising twist, they sometimes sign their posts with the name of one of the professors at Wolverhampton.

There's a wargaming studies program?

-Will

Tango is a great asset but I think he has one unintentional fault. The sheer volume of his posts causes other topics to disappear down the black hole at the bottom of the page faster than perhaps they should. Let me say that this is not me worried about my own fascinating topics disappearing – I don't actually start that many; it's just that the way TMP works, topics have a limited life-span on the page and I doubt if many people follow them up once they have gone from the screen. So, many interesting items are shovelled out of the bottom of the page quicker than they deserve.

If all of Tango's daily contributions could be posted under a "Today's Tango" thread with multiple links on it, I think it may be an improvement.

The other stuff about his supposed ulterior motives – looks like rubbish, sounds like rubbish – I'm inclined to think it's rubbish.

Doug

Enjoy his posts. Most are informative with cool pics to boot… Hopefully his posts push off some of the other topics especially the poll topics.. Just saying…
Kevin

…in Wolverhampton?

5th worst city on the planet? (Lonely Planet travel guides)

"Vulgarhampton"? (chavtowns.co.uk)

No. 19 in The Idler's classic; "Crap Towns"?

If you establish the culprit's identity, send them a sympathy card.

I agree with Doug.
Besides, the other poster(s) are far too enamoured with capital letters…

Armand (aka Tango01) posts some fascinating links, not all of them directly related to miniatures. One thing I do find a bit strange though, is that he is apparently a doctor (not sure whether that is a medical doctor or a PhD) yet his posts often seem to have the mind set of a teenager rather than an adult.

I like the idea of a "Today's Tango" thread!

Tango needs his own blog. I'd follow it!

To Brits of my generation, the name 'Tango' will always be reminiscient of surreal and disturbing TV ads:

YouTube link

I used to work on the Wolverhampton War Studies programme…

There's a wargaming studies program?

I think I'd prefer the MA course at KCL run by Phil Sabin:
link

Tango is the French version of John the OFM……

Tango frequently post some very interesting topics that mostly related to wargaming. One of his faults is that he sometimes copies text without quotations or references. Nonetheles, he is a postive contributor and much appreciated.
Merci bien Armand

Tango just annoys me, but I'm not going to harass the guy over it. Never heard of the accounts you've locked – clearly they were set-up just to harass Tango rather than to contribute to the boards.

I have enjoyed many of the contributions from "Tango01" here on TMP. I look forward to enjoying many more of them in the future.

Cheers,
Scott

"The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low."
~ Wallace S. Sayre

If Tango has a agenda or is part of the Illuminati, I am all for it. If we're going to have a conspiracy, we should go all the way. I'm looking forward to mysterious car accidents, bodies found on park benches and disapp

I am in the "Love Tango" camp, although I probably sound snarky when I do actually reply. Not to him, but to the actual content of the link.

I think he is simply trying to generate friendly discussion. Give him his own column here. I appreciate many of his posts.

Give Tango his own board. The haters could turn it off, and it would make finding his posts that much easier.

Being on the receiving end of some "love" (and at least one false account set up to try to pull some bs on me), I can see where this can get old REAL fast…for Tango, and for Bill…

I ran a yahoo groups site for about six years, that had approximately 100 members and over 10,k posts, and it was oftentimes a headache…

But I'm all for the conspiracty theory…since Delta Green came out, the measure for Conspiracy Theories is that they have to be very convuluted to be believable…

I second a tango column/board, always interesting to see what he's found.

Like the old Cheech and Chong bit this sock puppet claim is: Looks like Dog, Tastes like Dogshit, must be Dogshit. Tango's post are fine, though I would agree perhaps under one heading would be nice.

I'm always amazed at the cool things that Tango finds on the internet. Keep it coming Tango!

Tango does a good job keeping us lazy folks informed about what's out there.

Never heard of those accounts that were locked.

I would support a Tango board.

Give Tango his own board.

BAD IDEA.
"They" tried to force an "OFM Board" on me, back during the Time of Woe.
One of the responders above said that "it would isolate the OFM on one Board, and I could avoid his stupid drivel", or words to that effect.

That episode made me sensitive to any and all TMP practices that single out Members. It gives license to mock and abuse them/us/me. PERSONAL ATTACKS are supposed to be a TMP DH offense, but Polls (and particularly Poll Responses) and own Boards would sanction such. This is the OFM's opinion, and not necessarilly that of Management.

So, I am totally opposed to Members having their own Boards, Polls directed at them, etc.

I find the one about Murphy's granddaughtr ofensive, too. Read Murphy's response to that Poll to see why.

Back on topic, I read some of Tango's posts, and ignore others. This is the way it should be, and we don't need some stupid conspiracy theories by Internet morons.

I appreciate Tango's enthusiasm and good cheer! We need more of that on the board and less drama-queens!

Support Tango completely – his threads are often a source of modelling inspiration for me.

Let's face it, if you do not want to read a thread, swimply do not open it.

Carry on Armand.

Nothing objectionable about Tango. Not surprised that there are crazy people trying to annoy him though.
-Kle.

I love Tango's posts.

I think he should be officially recognized as "TMP's Roving Correspondent in Chief", since he finds so many great photos, and articles, and shares them with us.

For the record, I hate rye bread…..

He does post a lot. Sometimes I like his links.

The observation about the unintended effect of pushing everything off the bottom of the page is quite true.

I'm pro-Tango, he doesn't hurt anyone, I actually like a lot of the current affairs stuff although I realize this isn't really the place for it.

I'm with Jamesonsafari on this.
He does post a TON of links. Some good, some not so much.
My only real issue is that sometimes the posts have nothing to do with the board its posted on.

And he does do a lot of blog links, of which I cannot look at. So I do miss about 70% of his links.

But that's it. Other than than, I am amazed he has the time to amass all those links.

Either way, this dude is being a jerk for harassing Tango01. If you don't like someone's links, that is what the stifle button is for.

BAD IDEA.
"They" tried to force an "OFM Board" on me, back during the Time of Woe.
One of the responders above said that "it would isolate the OFM on one Board, and I could avoid his stupid drivel", or words to that effect.

That episode made me sensitive to any and all TMP practices that single out Members. It gives license to mock and abuse them/us/me. PERSONAL ATTACKS are supposed to be a TMP DH offense, but Polls (and particularly Poll Responses) and own Boards would sanction such. This is the OFM's opinion, and not necessarilly that of Management. grin

So, I am totally opposed to Members having their own Boards, Polls directed at them, etc.

Yeah but that's not what I'm suggesting. If his topics could be combined under one head each day with all links on that thread it would alleviate the hastening of other topics down the page owing to the sheer weight of T's postings.

This is not an anti-Tango suggestion, just a way of continuing to enjoy his contributions without them having the unintended consequence they currently have.

The suggestions you're referring to do are totally different to this issue – I agree an OFM board would be BAD; it's a quite ludicrous suggestion and I'm gald it never happened but the notion has little or no connection with suggestions of how Tango can be more equably accommodated on TMP.

Doug

Man, I just don't understand this.what's wrong with some people? Tango posts some really interesting stuff. I'm not always into the stuff he posts, but that's not important.
I even got into a bit of a fuss fest over one of his posts.
Not his fault, that's just what happened.
He is a valuable contributer. I guess that puts me in the pro Tango camp.
John the OFM has a point about some of the polls. Personal attacks are against the rules, yet polls and responses seem to be ok even if they are blatant personal attacks.

Tango actually posts. Leave him be.

I like it the way it is. Lots of people here post crap that moves the good posts down and lots have weird / hidden agendas. I know it's a big shock but they are part of the miniatures / war gaming community – who knew?

Tango1 post are either something that you look at or you just ignore. I like some of his links and others I just pass on by.

And to his post pushing stuff on down the page, I believe that other things contribute more to that than just his post. First, we have posters that will make a dozen or so poll suggestions in one day. TMPers have polled and added a variety of new boards, which makes finding older topics much harder especially if you think it should be in one place and the poster put it in another. But, besides that, the with more boards you get more post and less discussion.

Tango1 should be left alone, from both harassment and singled out to where and how he should post.

I'm another Tango supporter. I find his posts interesting.

If he's ever in Houston, dinner is on me.

I love his post, and if it does not interest me I don't read it. But most of the stuff he post are interesting and has lead me to some sites and blogs that I never have seen. Keep it up.

This has been utterly bizarre. How ironic that this person should start a sock-puppetry campaign to fight against alleged sock-puppetry.

I just want to clarify that I, BuckeyeBob, am not the BuckeyeBob2 whose account has been frozen by the editor.

I find many of TangoO1's posts interesting but I choose to view only those which I feel may fit in my fields of interest.

I wouldn't mind seeing Tango1 consolidate his posts, be more efficient in posting. I'd like to see him do it on his own, though. Because honestly, I personally don't find much utility in a front page with large numbers of Tango1 posts that only link back to other peoples content – much of the time not properly sourced. And much of the time, not new to me either. It would be a different thing entirely if it was content he produced.

As far as being singled out, he singled himself out by posting as much as he does. That doesn't mean he should have to take personal attacks or harassment. Kudos for putting a stop to that. But he has opened himself up to fair criticism which includes criticism about how often he posts and about what he posts.

Unbelievable. We all know at least one socially awkward wargamer. But the level of animosity expressed by some members here makes me wonder if I will ever have to duck for cover when one of these guys decides to bring a gun to Historicon.

His miniature-related posts are good. Others are meh. Based on his stats, he has averaged 10 posts a day!

Tango – keep doing what you do.