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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2012 8:26 p.m. PST

" In early March 1945 was created by a tank battalion "Kummersdorf" complete with a variety of test equipment company, which was moved to the front under the Oder. Part of the Tank Battalion became part of Panzer Division "Müncheberg" the formation of which began on 5 March 1945.

Inspector general of panzer troops mentions the structure of a tank company "Kummersdorf" during a meeting in the Fuehrer's Headquarters March 31, 1945. It consisted of three tank platoons (some mobile), one platoon of reconnaissance platoon of armored vehicles, infantry (Grenadier) Platoon accompaniment, and one tank platoon (non-mobile machines). The technique was taken from those aimed at testing machines, the company included PzKpfw VI "Tiger II" (Sd.Kfz. 182), "Jagdtiger", two American tanks "Sherman", an Italian tank P-40 (i), as well as several carriers charges B IV armed with machine guns (other sources give different data availability of equipment).

According to a telex dated April 4, 1945, at least part of a tank company should have been transferred to the district of Dresden (Dresden). Non-mobile equipment, including tanks «Tiger» the tower Porsche took part in the battles of April, the south-east Kummersdorf.

Another tank unit was formed in Kummersdorf and participated in combat April 21, 1945 Zossen south in the direction of Baruth, with the objective to stop the advance of the 1 st Ukrainian front advancing from the direction Golssen (Golssen), as part of the battle group Kaether (Käther). Company included 42 vehicles, including at least one tank PzKpfw V "Panther". During the battle near the settlement of Baruth tank unit was completely destroyed…"
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Anybody had tried to made a Kummersdorf Co. and wargame with it?

Amicalement
Armand

Kaoschallenged10 Jul 2012 9:24 p.m. PST

This page states that "The tank platoon of immobile machines was made up with Elefant, Waffentrger Steyr with 88mm gun and an italian P40(i)."

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"9 March 1945 Commander of Army Group Vistula had signed the order on the transfer of museum tanks in parts of the occupying defenses around the "fortress of Stettin", where she was to be used to enhance the established reference points as fixed gun emplacements, all unsuitable for this technique to be destroyed. How much and what exactly the samples captured armored vehicles there in the museum, and how much was used again, unfortunately, could not be determined as unable to establish their fate. However, we know that the March 24, 1945 in combat units "Stettin" including one T-34, is in the average repair, but it is quite possible that it was not a museum piece, and recently captured the trophy. "

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Kaoschallenged10 Jul 2012 9:36 p.m. PST

Found this over on an old thread at the Axis History site,

"Tank division Mncheberg did begin to be shaped on 5 March, 1945, with the use of materiel and organisational staff structures of the tank battalion of "Kummersdorf". The battalion itself was organized on 16 February, 1945, of one mixed company of "Kummersdorf" and one mixed company of the battalion of "Liebstandarte SS Adolf Hitler". The tank company of "Kummersdorf" consisted of three linear platoons (one Knigstiger, one Jagdtiger, four Panthers, two Pzkpw IV, one Pzkpfw III (50mm), one "Nashorn", the conveyer of ammunition on the base of the"Hummel" carriage, armed by that tripled 20- mm "Drilling", two M4 Shermans, the platoon of armored cars (four-axis SdKfz 233 (75- mm), four-axis SdKfz 231 (20- mm gun), biaxial captured armored car, one"Borgward" tankette. In IV s per 20- mm by gun and two "Borgward" with the machine guns. The tank platoon of immobile machines (SAU of "Elefant", Waffentrger Steyr with 88mm gun, the tank of the Italian produced P40(i)).

According to other data on 13 February, 1945, in the tank company of "Kummersdorf" there were four StuG III, three Pzkpfw h V, one Pzkpfw IV/"0 (A), one Pzkpfw IV/70 (A), three Pzkpfw IV, two Jagdpanzer IV, one Pzkpfw III with 50mm gun, one Pzkpfw IV with short-barreled 75mm, one Jagdtiger, one Bergepanther (repair-/ evacuation machine on the base of the Panther). Number of mixed tanks in the company from the tank battalion of "Liebstandarte" is not accurately known to the authors. After the beginning of the formation of the Mncheberg division the battalion "Kummersdorf" was renamed into 1 battalions 29th panzer regiment. According to German data on 25 March into its composition entered 4 companies (3 in the structure of battalion, one was attached additionally, from which 3-4 companies of battalion were organized and equipped on the staffs of heavy tanks), which had in the composition 36 tanks:four Pzkpfw IV Ausf H, 21 Pzkpfw Panther, Six Pzkpfw VI Tiger I, four Pzkpfw VI Knigstigers, one Jagdtiger. 10 tanks of Panthers according to the plans of German command entered into the division on 5 April, 1945."

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Mal Wright Fezian11 Jul 2012 1:05 a.m. PST

Anybody had tried to made a Kummersdorf Co. and wargame with it?

Its kind of a desperation formation! huh?

Most wargamers I have seen field German armies want them to be all 'runners', fully armed and of the latest model!

Etranger11 Jul 2012 2:16 a.m. PST

I've wondered about giving it a run. It really is the ultimate excuse to put anything on the table. There are a few photos around of the various Shermans, P40 etc. It would give the Quartermaster apoplexy though…

Mobius11 Jul 2012 7:17 a.m. PST

Anybody had tried to made a Kummersdorf Co. and wargame with it?
We had a last ride from Kummersdorf scenario in our latest Panzer Command release. It is a what-if as one of the tanks that left the base was a Maus. No record of it getting into combat but it was found at the end along the road destroyed by its own crew.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2012 9:25 p.m. PST

Logical ending.

Amicalement
Armand

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