 RelliK  | 06 Jul 2012 6:36 p.m. PST |
Busy here but thought I'd drop a WIP on TMP. ~Mike
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 DeanMoto  | 06 Jul 2012 8:55 p.m. PST |
Looks really good, Mike. Best, Dean |
| BigRedBat | 07 Jul 2012 2:50 a.m. PST |
Looking very good, Mike! That is a great looking chariot frame and wheel, much lighter than most I've seen. Most manufacturers seem to think chariots were bashed together from 2" by 4" timbers! There was a documentary 3-4 years back that suggested that celtic chariot floors "floated", suspended by leather straps from the chariot frame. An Iron Age suspension system! I wound it quite persuasive, it is late in the reconstruction, here (which you may have seen):- link Cheers, Simon |
| kreoseus2 | 07 Jul 2012 4:04 a.m. PST |
Sweet mini. I have read in myths of the warrior standing on the yoke with the driver on the platform, but never the driver on the yoke/tongue with the warrior on the platform. Phil |
| RelliK | 07 Jul 2012 7:01 a.m. PST |
Simon, yes the chariot is designed much thinner. Lanky like the rest of the Gauls;^) , especially with the 12 tapered spokes!!! I am anticipating that casting these will take greater care to ensure full castings. Regarding the suspension on the Soggy Wang chariot… the platform relied on four leather straps to stay together… If one strap broke for what ever reason, especially in battle with a warrior wearing 80LBS of mail, could pose a major issue. I recon that comfort was thrown out the window when it came to risking their lives in battle, where a armour laidend warrior would need a sturdy swift get away! I also sculpted the fasteners and bindings used to hold the assembled slotted assembly of the chariots. I just left the leather strap suspension out!! Phil, the driver was placed there so you could get a better look of the passenger! -Mike PS I am still open to any further comments regarding chariot platform suspension… |
| BigRedBat | 07 Jul 2012 8:30 a.m. PST |
Hi Mike, OTOH hit a tree root at 25mph, without suspension, and the warrior might become an unguided missile! :-) A chariot is, in part, a missle platform and needs to be stable. I'm quite taken with the suspension idea, but I suppose the straps could, in any case, be added fairly quickly. It's looking very fine, anyhow. Cheers, Simon |
 oldbob | 07 Jul 2012 9:13 a.m. PST |
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| RelliK | 07 Jul 2012 9:40 a.m. PST |
Simon, I think a stump at 25MPH would take out both chariots. The straps were probably for comfort on regular terrain where smaller irregularities on the ground would be absorbed by those straps. Iirc the Wet Wang burial was for a prominent women, may well be that they deserved a comfortable ride,no? Some bottoms of ridged chariots were made of woven strappings and those strappings were a form of suspension in themselves. Not saying your wrong Simon, but I suspect there was allot of mechanical variance in Gallic chariot design. The rein design and the loop castings in the yoke technology are impressive, not to mention the wheel make up and assembly. I can't see why there couldn't be slight variances on the subject of Celtic chariot suspension/design. -Mike |
| kreoseus2 | 07 Jul 2012 10:15 a.m. PST |
Mike, fair enough, as good a reason as any. The figures look like they may be interchangeable anyway. Good stuff, and no birdy helemts !!! Phil |
| RelliK | 07 Jul 2012 10:40 a.m. PST |
Interchangeable!!!!! I was thinking of offering the chariots without riders (just provide drivers)figuring that they would be converted no matter what :^p Thoughts?? What's a birdy helmet??? -Mike |
| BigRedBat | 07 Jul 2012 11:03 a.m. PST |
I'm sure the chariots must have changed greatly over time, Mike, and perhaps by region. A nice piece! I love those wheels, when you are casting I might try to buy some off you. Or even whole chariots. Cheers, Simon |
| colin knight | 07 Jul 2012 1:15 p.m. PST |
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| kreoseus2 | 08 Jul 2012 3:12 a.m. PST |
Mike, a birdy helmet was what we called ( I have no idea what the proper term was) the gallic helm which had a bird in flight as the crest, but each wing was horizontal and jointed so that when the wearer rode, the birds wings flapped as if in flight. Always hated them. Would figures for a chariot no need to be sculpted with just feet rather than the little bit of ground as a base most figures have ? Phil |
| RelliK | 08 Jul 2012 7:03 a.m. PST |
Phil, These figures will have pegs sticking out of their feet, cast on. Corresponding holes to match can be drilled wherever you prefer into the chariot platform. Did I answer you correctly? -Mike PS- I don't think the birdy helmets wings were supposed to flap… |
| kreoseus2 | 08 Jul 2012 3:51 p.m. PST |
link These guys hold a different opinion.. |
| RelliK | 08 Jul 2012 7:37 p.m. PST |
Can you post specifically where they say they wore flapping birdy helmets.
Thanks,
-mike |
| RelliK | 14 Jul 2012 10:43 a.m. PST |
Had to stop reading when I read that egypts Ptolemies was supplying Asian elephants… Mike |
wargame insomniac  | 15 Jul 2012 3:41 a.m. PST |
@ Mike: Re flapping bird helmets: link or link I believe based on the Ciumeşti helmet? Cheers James |
