"OK, sell me on 40K 6th Edition" Topic

I have a Chaos Space Marine, Dark Eldar and Imperial Guard armies. I haven't played since 3rd edition was replaced by 4th.

So what does this big expensive fancy 6th edition book have that would make me want to fork over $75 USD and dust off these old armies?

New book smell.

If you have to jack up your front porch roof to make some repairs, it makes a fine sturdy base for the jack.

Better you should save the money for the Cadet's college fund.

Other than that it will balance a wobbly table.

You could tear out the pages and use the cover as a binder for your crumbly copy of Rogue Trader.

It costs $75.00 USD for a book with 100 pages of rules and 300 pages of other stuff that you probably don't need or want.

Oh wait, you asked us to convince you to buy it.

Can't help you there.

Is it out yet? How can we sell you on it if nobody has seen it?

Anecdotal evidence here suggests that FLGS across the civilized universe are full of people reading them on the side, but no reports yet of anyone buying one.

Um. Hmm. How about… Uh. Nope, I got nothing.

Actually, there was alot of buzz and they were 'flying' off the shelves at my LGS…
People were buying them.

Well I bought it today… I'm no fanboy, but it's a beautiful tome, and I've really enjoyed the first hour reading through it.

but no reports yet of anyone buying one.

Plenty of such reports. In fact, last time this subject came up, I reported I bought a copy.

And yes, it is a very nice book, and look forward to getting some games.

Damon.

New book smell.

For the first time ever that smell was dominant in my FLGS with the dozen or so people who had just purchased the book.

If you really, really like 40K, the models, the story and the artwork it's, to me, a book well worth the price. I've enjoyed it since purchasing it last Friday more than any fantasy/sci-fi/gamer book I've bought this year.

If you're in a "meh" or "prove it to me" mode, wait for the small rule book to hit the eBay or the TMP Marketplace and pick one up cheap if you can.

The new book is very pretty. I'd say the fantastic production value justifies the cost. The new rules make vehicle based armies a little weaker and flying units really good. Assault armies got some good and bad things, it's probably a wash. Your Chaos Space Marines will get the next army book, your Dark Eldar got a little better, and your Imperial Guard army got a bit weaker in some areas and a bit stronger in others. I think the new rules look like fun, there are now rules for random terrain effects and objectives that have an effect on play when captured. If you're a super-competitive player you may not like the introduction of some random battlefield effects, but I think most will find the rule additions make games more fun.

Actually 222 pages are to do with rules scenarios etc (just over half of it). It is a very nice book with some nice changes to the rules (and some bad ones…). Overall worth the money if you enjoy 40k but if your the sort that could take it or leave it I would wait til September when the box set is released and the mini rulebook goes up on ebay.

Mick

no reports yet of anyone buying one.

Seriously? I bought one and several in our group have done so also… consider that a "report" FWIW ;-)

w.

I think you should buy it, then let me read it at work.

Need to see if the Tau are worth dusting off before I pony up 75.00 for a book.

Contact the Warstore for a discount on the book which puts it under $60.00 USD though shipping needs to be added.

I have found the book easier to read than the smaller booklets in previous additions. I say that as the rules section has bold lettering for rule emphasis. I think those bold parts may be harder in the smaller folio booklet (assuming GW releases that).

Also, the examples are in full color and I do find them easier to read/review in this format. By way of comparison, check the Flames of War, 3rd edition rules with the mini booklet compared to the full size and you also might find the larger version easier to read.

If the art work and background is of less interest, I'm not sure you'll find this large edition that critical. I think this larger edition makes some of the scenarios easier to read over.

Hope this helps

Erik

Alright, here are convincing reasons to purchase this very nicely done tomb of all things GW and WH40K in specific:

1. It will cost you less than starting an entirely new game system.
2. You already have three armies which were relegated to insignificance by 4th Edition and they are now viable again.
3. They got rid of some wonky mechanics which made assaults the end-all beat-all mechanic in the game.
4. The rules are better laid out than previous editions and the changes make the game play much better than prior editions and they re-introduced "Overwatch" fire and allow your heavy weapons (most of them) to move and shoot (albeit less effectively than if they stood still!).
5. My friends Jeff and Andrew played the game – Jeff ran Tau and Andrew ran his Grey Knights – and the Tau won – with the modifications to the objectives for battles and rules changes. (Jeff and Andrew have a running feud over the Tau being a viable force in 40K – and after this defeat 6-4, Andrew commented "It's like NOT playing Warhammer 40k!)
6. Everyone is going to have to learn the new rules changes, but the mechanics remain solid and familiar.
7. The Naysayers are again dismissing it out of hand because GW bashing is the tried and true method of TMP promotion.
8. They modified close combat to such an extent that all weapons now have an AP rating so models with power weapons are not the complete killer they used to be, and many, many weapons no longer are the insanely powerful weapon they were in the old assault rules.
9. Shooting allows your special models and characters to pick their targets! Yes, you read that right! A veteran Sergeant who rolls a "6" to hit, gets to select which model in the enemy squad takes the hit! Also, the CLOSEST models must be allocated hits first, so no more removing those pesky swarm unit models from the back ranks!
10. Charge ranges are now variable – instead of charging 6" forward you can now charge 2d6" and can go further or shorter than either 4th or 5th Edition.
11. When charged, your unit gets to fire an "overwatch" or defensive fire at the charging unit – but only hits them on a "6" which will even out SOME of the assault phase stuff.
12. Why not, if you already own the armies and want to use them with the game they were made for – what are you waiting for? The new rules seem to be more flavorful and balanced, but only time will tell.

Yes, I purchased a set – because they are shiney.

"7. The Naysayers are again dismissing it out of hand because GW bashing is the tried and true method of TMP promotion."

Hardly! It is the purview of those that feel disenfranchised by GW for whatever reason. Bashing GW does nothing to improve the promotion or lack thereof of TMP. The Editor himself plays the game, as do many on this board.

I am more into the Specialist Games side of GW and I certainly don't bash them. I do question their pricing policies and price increases that are beyond the industry norm. Not to mention their dumping support for Specialist Games in many ways. But no company is perfect and they treat their business, like a, well business ;-)

If you last played in 3rd.. I am guessing your codexii are out of date for IG and DE, maybe Chaos.. which means buying the 75 dollar game will give you the motivation to buy about that again in codexii.. and maybe do it all again in 4 years. so, it motivates you to keep your day job.

As Jovian has mentioned Overwatch is back. It is just a defense against getting charged.

Think of the pain that a 50 man unit of Combined Imperial Guard can bring.

Yes they are just firing Las Guns but they are firing 100 shots since they do get to Rapid Fire.

Yes they will need 6's to hit.

How think about an unit of 20 Guardians with a Scatter Laser who had Guide casted on them, oh and the charging unit has had Doom casted on it, doing this.

Plus Snipers will be making a come back since on a roll of 6 they get to pick who is shot.

So that guy with the Melta Gun may not last long. Though the Veteran Sgt with the Power Fist might due to him getting a "Look out Sir" roll.

Right now over on another site they are talking about the Imperial Guard 9 x Vendetta list. Due to flyers being hard to hit.

I do not think that it will be all that great of a list unless it faces one of the small model list.

Orks with their Fighter and mass firepower from Lootas could make short work of them.

Necrons also have flyers and their Gauss Rifles will shred vehicles.

Other mass fire power Imperial Guard like my 190 model 2000 point list can also give a good showing against them.

Eldar with their Swooping Hawks may also be a problem since Haywire Grenades is another weapon that can make short work of vehicles.

I sure do hope that for the new Eldar Codex that my Guardians can take Haywire Grenades.

Also if your unit is in some good terrain when it gets charged the charging unit will fight on Initiative "1" which will mean that they will go last.

So yes there are many good things about this Edition.

I have only seen the book.
Will they do a intro box set?

I was about to write a review, but Mithmee and Jovian have summed up my opinions pretty well. I would add: the scenarios. Some of them are really challenging -especially, the one with the Recon forces is nail bitting!… I have played it twice now; first time I pull out a win thanks to the extra point I got from having my units in my enemy's deployment area at the end of the game (4-3); in the second game, I used Necrons against Grey Knights and again I won, thanks in this case to my Canoptic Wraiths… and a lucky Overwatch fire against a Dreadnought that wanted to get me in melee until Lord Draygo and his Paladins reached me! I shredded the dammed Dreadnought with my Gauss rifles (40 shots, and 5 Glancing hits!!!)

Will they do a intro box set?

See this topic: TMP link

Will they do a intro box set?

TMP link

Yep. And in the link above you have the rumored content of the box.

By the way, the Codex Chaos Legions will be released in early August.

I'd lime to buy it. But I resent having to buy a $75 USD book that weighs 4 pounds because it's stuffed with fluff/artwork I don't want. A pain to carry around and use.

If they'd just produce a digital copy, even if it was $10 USD cheaper, I'd buy it in a second.

Bede,
Just wait a month. It's highly likely that the boxed sets will come with a mini-rulebook. If last edition is any guide, they'll be available for 20 bucks all over ebay and bits sites.

Oh and since Eldar Wraithlords have a Toughness they can be very useful in charging in against Infantry.

Take a squadron of three and take the bare minimum in weapon so that the points are lower.

Charge that Combine unit of Imperial Guardsmen who only have Las Guns and Flamers.

Should be fun, for the Eldar Player.

"It's like NOT playing Warhammer 40k!"

Now you got me interested…

It depends; do you like 40k as a setting but weren't keen on the last couple of editions? In that case, give it a go.

If you were never a fan of 40k, this isn't going to convince you to become one.

I've been a fan of 40K since 1991, and I bought the rulebook.

But I resent having to buy a $75.00 USD USD book that weighs 4 pounds because it's stuffed with fluff/artwork I don't want.

I understand that argument, but to me it's the opposite. The rules are OK, but I bought this book (as opposed to simply letting my opponents buy it) becuase of the visual appeal. The big gatefold landscapes of the Imperial Palace and a Space Marine fortress-monastery in particular make me want to build new gaming tables.

There's plenty of little artwork touches and references to older material – there's a picture of a Zoat, and Ambull and what might be a Slann on page 198, for example, and the list of current recognised Abhuman species includes homo sapiens rotundus (i.e. Squats). Looks like they're continuing the trend started in the most recent Codex: Space Marines, Codex: Space Wolves and <Imperial Armour voumes nine and ten of "rehabilitating" old models and bits of background.

Jovian has hit the nail on the head. Personally, I still don't like the clever manipulation of rules/releases that GW use to sell products but, at the same time, I accept that they are a business.

Some of the nods to Rogue Trader, even if nothing to do with the gameplay, seem to undo some of the betrayal to loyal veteran fans.

If you can get the book at the commonly discounted price, I think that it's worth the money simply as a nice looking book.

For all the bashing GW get, they really DON'T control what players do outside of tournaments. I found 6th ed to offer lots of suggestions for narrative-based scenarios, terrain building etc.

The appendices list all the troop types, weapons and vehicles – if you don't want to buy any other GW books or figures and don't believe points systems are ever really balanced then 40k 6th ed will give you a complete, self contained ruleset for sci-fantasy that looks amazing.

I wanted to hate it but I don't.

I haven't played since 3rd Ed. and bought the BIG book….have been very impressed….

I probably wouldn't have been interested, but from the sound of the changes I may have to give this version a try. Plus IF the contents of the box are what the rumors say I'd be very interested indeed!

Color me surprised!

Thanks for the objective comments. You've swayed me towards it. I just wonder how much my old armies are viable with the new army lists.

From 3rd edition, probably most of it is still very useable- certainly all the generic stuff. Even if the exact function has changed, the models will still be useable as one choice or another…

For example the Necrons were redone fairly recently, and lost a unit called Pariahs. However, those models could very easily be used as a new unit called Lychguard without any ambiguity at all.