"US camo finally gets the boot.." Topic

I have been saying this since the first time I saw it. "But it goes not work, it fact it makes you stand out"

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sorry I did not see the other posts

The USMC still wears a two-tone tan digital pattern.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARPAT

The Navy wears a pattern much like the old Chocolate Chip pattern.

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I don't believe it!, I've just painted some and spent quite a while trying to get the UCP looking right.

Why does thismcome up twice today? They started the selection process for new camo almost two years ago!

Doesn't that figure – JUST when I had a full Disposable Heroes platoon painted in UCP!!! They go and change it! :) *SIGH* looks like I need to start painting the MULTI-CAM pattern now…

About time – when it came out it looked like "cook whites" – what we termed old BDUs that were faded to the point of being unserviceable (at least from a "camo" standpoint). Too bad the coolest camo patterns are already taken – WW2 German Splinter Pattern and Vietnam era Tiger Stripes.

After eight years and a reported $5 USD billion

Why did it take so long to figure it out?

It takes so long because there is no accountability. Those military in charge are not held to a timetable, nor a production cost, nor a cost analysis, nor given any responsibility to the soldiers they lead.

The civilians that are endemic to the process are themselves, not held accountable, nor are the civilian political leaders.

Just read a artical and came to look if the story was up, yep.

I read in the other post that there was an almost immediate "about face" on the issue, so don't know which is really true.

Of course, if these are out, then some manufacturer gets twice the sales of bdu's.

Guess the Bongolesian Presidential Garde will be getting some new uniforms soon.

Yep.

That's why I prefer painting modern Israelis. You'd think the Israelis would know something about how to fight in a desert environment. Why haven't they adopted a multi-bazillion dollar camo pattern?

Yes, that was said seeping with sarcasm.

As I understand it, the Army, Navy, and Air Force adopted this after the Marines adopted theirs.

The stated purpose of the Marine camo by the Commandant (I forget his name) was to be "instantly identifiable", and so the enemy could "see us coming a mile away".

Which sounds weird, but if the Marines are used for what the Marines are supposed to be used for, then hiding isn't much of a concern for them.

I read several articles years back that show solid colors, drab green or grey, to be the most effective at hiding something. Maybe the Army finally read those too.

One problem with the UCP is that all the colors are too close together in value.

The Marines colors are basically the Woodland 3-color but pixelated. It works pretty well, and the pixels are smaller than the eye can make out. You can tell that the color changes, but you can't make out the shape. MARPAT uses contrast to get the effect.

Multicam works on the other camo theory: color. It's a close match to colors seen in nature and picks up those colors. at ~15yards, you cannot see a multicam jacket hanging in a tree.

UCP uses shapes intended for contrast camo with colors that don't have any contrast!

Please note that this article should read US Army camo finally gets the boot.." Topic

Why not just change the colours from tan and mint green to a colour scheme that fits with something on this planet?

I.E.: The two MARPAT schemes?

You are thinking way too logically Wolfprophet.

Clearly, the whole camo issue requires a lot more study than mere simple observation and selection.

No doubt, a whole committee will need to be formed to study the issue again, which is going to cost a lot, and then they will come up with a design "by committee" which should be totally unsuitable in the real world. Cancel, and repeat the cycle, endlessly.

"Why haven't they adopted a multi-bazillion dollar camo pattern"?

Perhaps they don't have the backing of large clothing manufacturer lobbyists, and/or permit decision-makers to own stock in said companies.

Follow the money…….

"Here's the idea, one camo for all possible situations."
"Ok, so it would be a compromise and mediocre at best in any given situation, right ?"
"No it's magic."
"We absolutely need to get it at any cost !"

Perhaps they could learn something from lizards, and frogs, e.g. like how to change camo colors as needed, to match their surroundings…..

HMMMMMM….I thought I remembered this quote from the Army,

"Who designed the ACU?
The ACU was designed by noncommissioned officers and tested by Soldiers. The life of the ACU began in January 2003. A team looked at a number of uniforms and took the best part of each uniform and combined it into one. They built their first prototype and delivered 25 uniforms to Stryker squads at the National Training Center. After listening to Soldiers' comments, the team went back to the lab and created Prototype 2. Twenty-one uniforms were then delivered to Stryker Soldiers at the Joint Training and Readiness Center, Fort Polk, La. Two issues of the third version were given to Stryker Soldiers deploying to Iraq."

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No doubt, a whole committee will need to be formed to study the issue again, which is going to cost a lot, and then they will come up with a design "by committee" which should be totally unsuitable in the real world. Cancel, and repeat the cycle, endlessly.

Where can I sign up? I'll throw logic to the wind for that kind of job security.

The Marines colors are basically the Woodland 3-color but pixelated. It works pretty well, and the pixels are smaller than the eye can make out. You can tell that the color changes, but you can't make out the shape. MARPAT uses contrast to get the effect.

Multicam works on the other camo theory: color. It's a close match to colors seen in nature and picks up those colors. at ~15yards, you cannot see a multicam jacket hanging in a tree.

Then they have the colors all wrong and the pixels to small because at 15 to 100yards they look like one solid color to me and don't blend in at all. In fact I think they make the human shape stand out like a pink elephant in a blue room.

Light and dark, to break up the human form are important, at a distance, and at moderate ranges.

Other, additional detailing is recommended as well, up close.

Interested to see what they come up with to replace it …