Chief Lackey Rich   | 26 Jun 2012 8:54 a.m. PST |
Interesting video posted by Troll Forged showing the strength of their new spincasting plastic: link Looks to be on par or better than injection-molded polystyrene for durability and flexibility, and miles ahead of any resin I've worked with. Sure tops Finecast for toughness, although the detail doesn't look quite as fine. |
| Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 26 Jun 2012 9:30 a.m. PST |
Interesting stuff….Though why I'd want to put my figures in the oven at a 180 degrees C is beyond me :) |
| 45thdiv | 26 Jun 2012 9:51 a.m. PST |
On a hot summer day, left in the car, you migut see temps that hot. |
| Scott Kursk | 26 Jun 2012 10:26 a.m. PST |
Easily. I lost a ton of "Finecast" stuff in my car. I left it in my trunk. It was hot enough that a lot of the plastic bases warped and had to be rebased. All the models themselves were metal so they were ok. The Finecast models just, for lack of a better way to describe it, melted. |
| Chief Lackey Rich | 26 Jun 2012 11:11 a.m. PST |
Most resins (including Finecast, obviously) start to soften at those temperatures, and plastics are in the danger zone too. A closed car on a suny summer day is no place for models – I'd think twice about nice solid resin terrain pieces, even. |
 BrigadeGames  | 26 Jun 2012 11:47 a.m. PST |
"Interesting stuff….Though why I'd want to put my figures in the oven at a 180 degrees C is beyond me :)"
"On a hot summer day, left in the car, you migut see temps that hot." There is no way the temperature in a car would ever reach 180 C (thats 356 F.) |
| Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 26 Jun 2012 12:36 p.m. PST |
In fairness listening again the guy on the video does say fahrenheit being a brit I just assumed celsius. Still 180 degrees fahrenheit is still what…82 degrees celsius surely nobodys car gets that hot? Interesting stuff though hope it goes well for all involved |
| CorSecEng | 26 Jun 2012 1:22 p.m. PST |
It looks like great stuff. Is it cheaper then metal or resin? I'm not sure the material alone has enough of a benefit to compete with metal. It will be awesome if they get closer to plastic prices without the mold development costs. |
| Valator | 26 Jun 2012 1:24 p.m. PST |
Rupert has never been to Texas? |
| Mkultra99 | 26 Jun 2012 2:53 p.m. PST |
Defiance is selling their bugs cast in this stuff for 30 for $30 USD and Trollforge is selling some largish goblins for 10 for 10$.. so seems much cheaper than resin or metal. And, yes it seems like they are cast with regular spin casting equipment. I'm surprised there isn't more of a hubbub about this stuff – all the properties of polystyrene injection molded figures (tho you cant use regular model glues), with the startup costs of spincast metal = game changer |
| Chief Lackey Rich | 26 Jun 2012 3:10 p.m. PST |
It's new yet, give it time and there'll be enough hubub to suit anyone. I know some industry types who are betting GW comes out with a similar formulation within months (after some quick chemical analysis and reverse engineering, no doubt) – followed by the prompt retirement of the very problematic Finecast range. Still 180 degrees fahrenheit is still what…82 degrees celsius surely nobodys car gets that hot? My old black-interior car could reach 190 Farenheit on a hot sunny day in July with the windows up – and I live in upstate New York. I shudder to think what Texas must be like. |
 richarDISNEY | 26 Jun 2012 5:17 p.m. PST |
Either way, this plastic is amazing!
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| CorSecEng | 26 Jun 2012 6:59 p.m. PST |
I think it is a game changer if they start selling it to other casters. If they have to do all the casting then it will be great for some but a lot of people already do their own casting. If you can plug this into the existing eco-systems and it works on the hardware that everyone already has then things will change a-lot! Does anyone know if they just developed the method (i.e. plugged an existing polymer into their machines) or did they engineer and have patentable rights to the polymer itself? |
| Defiance Games | 26 Jun 2012 7:13 p.m. PST |
Unfortunately it's not as simple as all that. There's quite a bit of specialized equipment that needs to be in place along with the unique plastic formula that Ed invented. I actually just looked at space today that would meet the requirements for the new equipment we're getting in from overseas. It may well be a game changer. We'll see. ;-) Tony Tony Reidy
Defiance Games
defiancegames.com |
| Scott Kursk | 27 Jun 2012 2:52 p.m. PST |
[q]It's new yet, give it time and there'll be enough hubub to suit anyone. I know some industry types who are betting GW comes out with a similar formulation within months (after some quick chemical analysis and reverse engineering, no doubt) – followed by the prompt retirement of the very problematic Finecast range.[/q] I'm a little in doubt about this. First off, GW hates admitting it made a mistake. Switching away from resin is admitting that the Finecast debacle was indeed that, a debacle. I broke the economics of their plastic casting over here. TMP link The whole point of Finecast is that it's "special". A super detailed plastic, in their minds, isn't as special as resin. Also, there is a huge rivalry over the US and UK operations. Lastly, they'd have to be able to use the existing Finecast production equipment since they made a ridiculously huge investment not only buying them and doing R&D, they also spent a ton sending their metal casting to the US. I just don't see it. I may be totally wrong though…. |
