"Would 28mm 7YW plastics interest you? " Topic

If "They" came out with multi-part sets of plastic 7 Years War Armies would you be interested enough to collect any?

No.

Only if well done and they covered ALL the major troop types.

Most certainly!

As it is I'm wondering if the forthcoming Perry plastic AWI Brits will be convertable…

No, I'm committed to 7yrs War 15mm. But I do wonder why nobody has started making 28mm plastic 7 YRS War already as I would think it would be popular.

Yes, yes, yes. Why?

If the Perrys did them, yes, and the bits and pieces would be useful for conversions. Better stil of course if the Perrys did SYW in metal (we can but dream!).

Yes, absolutely. And no need to be a full range either, though of course it would be nice – I can't really see plastic Russian observation corps being popular enough to justify the tooling. I never understand the metal OR plastic mindset; as long as they are reasonably compatible, why not mix and match?

"Yes, yes, yes. Why?"

I wish I was holding out on some good intel Maximus, but alas, I'm only hoping for some like the rest of you.

Ive recently given up on and sold off (am selling off) all of my 15mm minis. pretty much the only areas of 28mm gaming I will be doing in the future are those in 28mm plastics or those that I can mix 28mm plastic & metal.

So, I'm hoping we will see some non-Wargames Factory produced 7YW plasctics on the horizon!

how would it be done?..so much variation often within the same army..

and no AWI brits wont be able to be converted without a lot of work which makes it generally unfeasable..

A good range of SYW plastics in 28 or 30 mm would certainly give a further boost to the current trend towards gaming the tricorne period with large units à la Grant & Young.
Didn't HaT have some Prussians listed as a future project?

No,
I can't see the appeal for 28mm figures for anything other than skirmish gaming. Medium to large scale battles look like a crowd at a music festival. Figures shoulder to shoulder no flanks no space for maneuvre, need an oversize table.
One advantage plenty of eye candy.

No.I'm a 15mm gamer.

WF did a good job with their WSS boxes, but they are somewhat limited, I'd love to see another company have a try at the late 17th, early 18th century. Not really interested in 7YW though.

Yes

depends on how well theyre sculpted, and variety of options like poses ,ect. if perry or victrix did them i probly couldnt resist a few boxes!

no.
I'm a metalman…

You lost me at "multi-part".

No – the 20mm plastics 7YW still haven't been painted

Seems like the most significant variations would be heads and cuffs. Everything else would be relatively easy to standardize. So instead of doing whole arms, I wonder if the kits could just have interchangeable hand/cuff parts?

"Interchangeable cuffs" would still mean that you would have to glue hands or arms to the torso or musket. I have NEVER been able to do that.

Heads…maybe. But the whole business of gluing arms/hands/muskets to bodies was for me exttremely fustrating and time consuming.

Only if well done and they covered ALL the major troop types.

Define ALL. And "major".
Another variant would be lapels/no lapels. Modeling THAT would be awe-inspiring in its difficulty.
I bought a lot of the Foundry Copplestone SYW Prussians for Hessians and Brunswickers, specifically because they had no lapels. Rall and von Barner regiments, to be precise.
I also bought the hussars from that range because they had no pelise, so are now Lauzun's Legion.

Yes.

It's possible to have interchangeable cuffs without gluing;just have the cuffs as snap on rings over the figures' wrists. They could be two part and snap together, or just a ring that is open at the bottom and slides over the wrist.

Lapels could be done that snap on to the coat. They would need holes in the coats to work, but those can be filled in with putty for troops without lapels.

Lapels could be done that snap on to the coat. They would need holes in the coats to work, but those can be filled in with putty for troops without lapels..

With straps over them?
And you are going to do HOW many 48 figure batalions in 28mm???
Even if it were possible from a manufacturing point of view, WHY would you want to do that?

Hmmm, interchangeable cuffs – interesting idea, Sam!

Plastic definitely lends itself to unconventional approaches. HaT already took one when they designed their SYW Prussians (20mm, at least so far) with interchangeable headgear, rather than heads.

John, yes setting two arms and a musket in a natural pose can be a challenge, but with the arms already posed as Sam suggests, sticking on the cuffs with hands (and possibly weapon) attached should be a lot easier?

The main thing with polystyrene is the ease of glueing and re-sculpting, compared with metal. So once the basic types are covered, minor variations can be converted.

As such the WGF approach with their WSS infnatry wasn't bad: two thirds of the box only need sticking on a head, while the remaining figures can be customised for command or different poses. Limited by the stance of the (marching) legs of course, but a good balance of quick-build and customiseable in my view.

I could be tempted by kilted highlanders for the 78th and well done Cherokee.

I was looking at some of John Holly's Perry Bros plastic Ren figures, and I saw that they had optional barding for the horses that you could glue on, or not, as you preferred.

So what about something like this:

The standard 18th century INF figure could be standing in a march/attack pose, with shouldered musket, and no head. He has no cuffs; just a sort of dimple on the lower arm.

The kit would then include variable heads, and a couple varieties of cuffs. You could attach the cuffs you want, with a single drop of glue, one on each arm. And you're done!

I would be interested. I'm not one to stick with straight off out of the box figures, always wanting to change things. My 7YW Armies are not the conventional ones, so figures that lend themselves to change would be welcomed.

Didn't a company have the option of making 28mm plastics for SYW but required so many people to offer to buy them. I remember as I had wanted some but it fell through due to lack of interest,

"They" should make chasseurs a cheval first, and the another 10 napoleonic releases…..

I rather share the sceptical view that a plastic range would be either generic – so no use to those who want to see accurate replicas of particular units and nationalities – or the supposed best sellers, i.e., Prussians yet again. Then, of course, if such a range was successful and took away the bread and butter of smaller metal figure makers, we might find we didn't have those either. Can the period support more expansion; are there enough of us to provide a viable market?

I would be very interested, but as others have mentioned, the quality of the work would be important.

As Gozzaoz has pointed out, 28's do require a lot of table space, and I tend to play on my 3x4 table at home with 15's. SYW in this scale would require being more social and building a group of friends to work together on the project. That's not a bad thing! Boxed units in hard plastic seem to bring out a lot of enthusiasm in some people.

Currently, I am actually looking for a last project to do. Though I'm looking into 20mm horse and musket with Frying Pan & Blanket's castings, an announcment of an imminent line of 28mm SYW plastics from a good company and skilled sculpters would give me pause.

So what's up, Uesugi san?

and no AWI brits wont be able to be converted without a lot of work which makes it generally unfeasable..

You seem very certain, Your Eminence, as usual!

The major changes in dress in the British Army Infantry Regiments from 1763 to 1776 were…?

The major changes in dress in the British Army Infantry Regiments from 1763 to 1776 were…?

substantial

changes from 1763 -1778..? Quite profound..well yes I am quite certain , the cuffs,the legwear,are the two most obvious difference, Grenadier/fusliier caps spring to mind and the general cut of the coat as well..the AWI has shorter tails and slimmer lines..apart from that…you may need to buy , or look at a book or two.. Lawson Uniforms of the British Army is a good start..
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interchageable? there is a lot of difference between and Austrian fuslier and Prussian musketeer that a few spearate hands doesn't even come close to answering,,how ever as imagination the idea is wonderful..

I would define all the major troop types to be, line infantry, grenadiers, light troops, artillery, heavy and light cavalry. This would be what I would require to be available before I would take the plunge. I would also probably do an Imagi-Nation with them, as this I find more interesting than the actual 7YW. It is not that this is not an interesting period, I really like the FIW and have lots of stuff for that already. I just find the side conflicts of the 7YW more captivating than the european theatre. I have always wanted to game the french and british conflict in India in this era, the issue there is proper figures and a group who wants to game it.

Heads shouldn't be a problem, head choices are already common…

Changes to the cut of the coat do seem to be a deal breaker however. !

and leg wear ..where were you going to get satisfactory mitres?
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and bayonet belts…lapels backpacks…collars , the diufferences are fairly dire…

I would be thrilled if 28mm plastics were available, at least for the foot. Metal Artillery and mounted officers would be fine, but if some enterprising company (Perry, Warlord, Victrix come to mind) would do foot and some of the cavalry, I would need the 2nd job!

Erik

28mm plastics would be nice but I am not a fan of multi-part kits. I don't want to waste my time gluing figures together.

No. Next question.

I don't do 28mm.

Yes.

Sounds tempting but.

I'm just off workin on a box of GW Amazons. The putting together of the figures isn't bad and the figures are real nice, however unless you're going to create whole boxes with all the figures in one position (like musket at the carry) it won't be too popular I think as you have to buy 20 boxes to get units where all the figures are in the same pose. Putting the Amazons together are a pain, but since i can't get more than three or four figures in the same position, to put them together looks like an interprative dance class.

On the other hand I'd buy it simply because the plastic arms and heads and weapons would be a treasure trove of parts to use for conversions of my lead figures.

Nice plates Your Eminence! And yes I see your point…

mind you sparks plastic AWI has a considerable charm value all of its own..another Maurice project to consider….

I could see a company starting with the forces in North America, which would place a more practial limit on the types of figures to be modeled, and since skirmish gaming and F&I gaming are pretty much synonymous (I jest, well, somewhat) it's a natural place to start with a new line of 28mm plastics.

I would think that American Woodland Indians in plastic could be very popular as they would be useable for AWI gaming as well. Standard British and French regimental uniforms could also be used on the Continent if they chose to move in that direction, and both sides regulars would be supplemented by various intersting types of irregular/colonial troops. Not having to develop many mounted units would definitely make it easier to do.

Yes, very interested. A few somewhat generic infantry, cavalry and artillery figures would be just fine. I'm much more inclined to go for the total "look of the thing" vs. trying to have uniform details spot on. OK, now everyone can blast away – wait until you see the whites of my eyes……

Tempting