"Uniform of Austrian d'Aspré Jäger 1799" Topic

Trying to find the uniform of this unit (in 1799 of 10 companies) without luck.
Anyone?

"Uniform hechtgrau mit stahlgrünen Aufschlägen und gelben Knöpfen" (Uniform pike-gray with steel-green distinctives and yellow buttons)
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Unit with different facings, to give the idea of the uniform (Knötel, the elder) :

So the d'aspre jäger weren't one of the new light battalions but existed earlier? . As a seperate unit, what headgear did they wear; the new classical helmet (as the new light battalions) or what else?
Thanks for the link.

Jan

The d'Aspré did stay a separate "Feld-Jäger-Corps" (until 1801), and indeed fought as dispersed packets of companies in 1799-1800. They were not part of the new light battalions of 1798. They had been formed in about 1789.

If you zoom-in on the Knötel image, you will see which units formed the light battalions in 1798. This is also discussed in the pages just before the one for which I provided a link (if you can make out the German in the old script).

I don't know how "new" the helmet was. I think Knötel rather overdid the details a bit (as well as over-saturating the colors …. can you tell I am not a big fan of his work?)
But, the Jäger did, as far as I know, wear a helmet until after the 1801 re-organization.

Here is a nicer image, and a contemporary one, "Jäger zu Fuß" by Tranquillo Mollo (~1798):

Seroga,
thanks.
The new helmet was introduced in 1798 (so the new light battalions received them as eg did the mounted Bussy Jäger).Other infantry received them later, probably only in 1800 or 1801 (or even later)
Therefore it would be possible that de d'aspre jäger would wear an older type of headgear.
I have looked at the Osprey's but d'aspré jäger aren't mentioned. In an article in Napoleon-series.org it is stated that de d'aspré jäger were incorporated in the light battalions in 1798 which imho is wrong as they are mentiond in Italy in 1799/1800

It seems that the d'Aspre Jäger, despite the source Seroga linked, did not exist in the French Revolutionary Wars, but were a 7YW outfit, d'Aspre commanded another unit.
The sources are a bit ambigous, but I will do some further research on this.

@von Winterfeldt

I was going mostly from Wrede ….
-- Regiment Grün-Louden : 1790 Oberstlt. 2. Bataillons-Commandant / 1794 Oberstlt. (Oberst befördert) Regiments-Commandant (S. 445)
-- deutsches Jäger-Corps : 1799 Oberst (GM befördert), Commandant (S. 512)
I think this is the unit our colleague was asking about, nicht war? The unit, or a similar one, had previously existed during the SYW, but had been disbanded (S. 505).
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Constantine-Ghillian-Charles baron d'Aspré von Hoobreuck (Ghent 1754 – mortally wounded at Wagram 1809)
Bio link
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Do you think that perhaps I have the wrong unit and/or wrong person? Both are quite possible.

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@Duc de Limbourg

In some of the unit descriptions in Wrede (see link above) the headgear is included in the description of the unit's uniform. There is also this site, in English:
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Neither give the headgear for the unit that I had thought you are asking about. There seems to be quite a variety among other more-or-less similar units.

Von Winterfeldt,
d'aspré jäger were mentioned as a 6 company strong unit in the OOB for the main field army for the North Italian campaign and at the Trebbia 1799 (both in "eagles over the Alps)
I was first thinking that the'd'aspre jäger were the same as the Dandini (german) jäger as mentioned in Dave Hollins'Austrian Auxiliary troops. Uniform and facing fits as does the mentioning of disbandment in 1801.
But according to link
the Dandini jäger were later the Mahony Freikorps (see plate Holling page 17.
Aspres are eg also mentioned in nafziger OOB 799FAT (now with 4 companies)

Addition:
It ia also mentioned in the Austrian Schematismus of 1801

An interesting discussion, it seems that according to Wrede, as Seroga kindly pointed out in volume II, page 512 – mentions the

Deutsches Jägerkorps Kurz

"dasselbe wurde nach den jeweiligen Kommandanten benannt"

(which was named acoording to the actual commander)

1790 Dandini
1792 Mahony
1797 Plank
1799 D'Aspre
1801 Kurz von Traubenstein

So – in my view this is the unit we are looking for – but it changed its names according to the commander.

This is confirmed by the 1801 Militärschematismus, page 172 as the Duc de Limbourg pointed out correctly

Back to Dave Hollins, he shows in his MAA Nr. 299, page 17 a Jäger of Mahoney (sic) Freikorps with a Korsehut.

There Mahoney Jäger and later D'Aspre and later Kurz are identical, my deduction would he a hat and not a Kaskett.

See also what he wrote on page 13 about the Dandini Jäger.

The Militär Almanach of 1797 consequently shows Mahony and not D'Aspre who became commander in 1799

So again,
Seroga and Winterfeldt, thanks for the effort. lthough we don't know (yt ?) for shure , the Tyrolean hat option is the most obvious.
Sadly I can't open the Wrede book and haven't any copy of it
greetings
jan

As compensation go for this one

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The O'Reilly, sometimes only a copy of Artaria of 1792 but a lot of other interesting prints.

For sure – of course we won't know, my option would be the hat giving a nice veriation to the Tyrolean Jäger corps which did wear the Kasett.

@ von Winterfeldt
I 100%+ agree with your analysis.
Also, please accept my thanks for the link to "Geschichte und Bildliche Vorstellung der Regimenter ….". I had never see this online and readable. Many, many thanks!

Jan, you may want to try to get Google eBooks from a proxy server in the USA, if you are not already in that country.
Here are many free ones to chose from:
proxy.org
Try a few before giving up on the idea. The Wrede, for example, is worth a little trouble to download it, I think.

Von W
thanks for the link
Seroga
will try your suggestion; I'm in The Netherlands