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deflatermouse02 May 2012 2:15 a.m. PST

I have often decried the absence of an ASU-57 or BMD in 15mm.

I've never seen anyone selling one but have thought I should check.
Has anyone seen or know of anyone selling them? Does anyone know of any being in the works?
thanks

Cold Warrior02 May 2012 2:23 a.m. PST

QRF does both, including several BMD variants.

link

deflatermouse02 May 2012 2:45 a.m. PST

FANTASTIC!!
So pleased to have been called out and shown to be wrong.
A BMD-1, BMD-2, BMD-3, 2S9,
Now the trouble is having to choose which to get.

I couldn't find the ASU-57. Where was it hidding?
Thankyou Cold War Warrior.

Personal logo Dom Skelton Sponsoring Member of TMP02 May 2012 4:09 a.m. PST

I think he's mistaken on that one – they do an ASU-85, but not the 57, afaik.

Cold Warrior02 May 2012 5:56 a.m. PST

deflatermouse,

Dom is correct, I appear to have been mistaken. Could have sworn QRF had one in their "postwar" range at one point. Have a large Soviet VDV force in 15mm, but it is targeted to the mid-80's so went with the '85.

Unfortunately sans QRF, don't know of anyone else that makes 15mm VDV vehicles at all. There is an HO one I've seen (would be a tad big, but IMHO could still work if needed), but pricey as hell:

auction

Personal logo GeoffQRF Sponsoring Member of TMP02 May 2012 10:09 a.m. PST

Yes, only the ASU-85 at the moment:

picture

The ASU-57 only served to about 1960, when it was replaced by the ASU-85. That in turn was replaced by the BMD-1 in about 1969.

Cold Warrior02 May 2012 11:15 a.m. PST

Geoff,

Actually the ASU-85 served well into the early 80's, when it began to be replaced with the 2S9 Nona.

Personal logo GeoffQRF Sponsoring Member of TMP02 May 2012 3:05 p.m. PST

I'm not surprised. You'll probably find that 1969 was the official date that the BMD-1 was supposed to replace the ASU-85, but in reality they carried on in service for another 10 years or so.

The ASU-85's primary role was light infantry support or assault with some limited anti-tank capability. The D-70 gun could fire HEAT, HVAP and HE out to about 1100m.

The 2S9 is a different beast really, with a different purpose. The 120mm 2A60 mortar fires HE, white phosphorus and smoke rounds up to about 8km.

jony663 Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2012 7:36 p.m. PST

So does your comment mean we may see the ASU57 in the near future?

deflatermouse03 May 2012 2:29 a.m. PST

I was worried this would be the case with the ASU-57. I would very much like to see an ASU-57.

Yes, it was superceded fairly quickly but troopered on in Ethiopia which is mainly why I'm after one.
If the auction link had been for one in 1/72 I would tried for it.
If it had been in 1/100 I would nave tried for it (as would others I think)
QRF's ASU-85 from the photos seems a bit narrow compared to the ones I've seen in Warsaw & Moscow. or it could be the fighting compartment is a bit low. Not sure which but something doesn't sit with me.
The BMD's look great. hope to get a few.
thank you all for you help.

Personal logo GeoffQRF Sponsoring Member of TMP03 May 2012 2:48 a.m. PST

It's the angle of the photo.

Personal logo GeoffQRF Sponsoring Member of TMP03 May 2012 3:58 a.m. PST

QRF's ASU-85 from the photos seems a bit narrow compared to the ones I've seen in Warsaw & Moscow. or it could be the fighting compartment is a bit low

Just got Chas to measure one of ours. It's apparently 6cm long, 3cm wide and 2cm high (but a mm or two either way could be his measuring) so pretty much spot on for 1:100 scale. I think I have one at home so can check later and possibly photograph it for you.

So does your comment mean we may see the ASU57 in the near future?

Ummm…. well I dig just dig out the plans.

R Mark Davies30 Aug 2012 6:06 a.m. PST

ASU-85s clung on throughout the 80s in the Assault Gun Battalion of Guards Air Assault Divisions. The Polish 6th Airborne Division ditched its ASU-85s when the division was down-sized in the late 70s.

The Cubans used ASU-57s in action in Ethiopia, during the Ogaden War – most notably during their airborne assault to cut the Somali line of retreat following the Third Battle of Jijiga in 1978.

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