"Would you convert to 10mm SF/VSF?" Topic

Ive seen a number of negative comments in all genres about 10mm figures. I recently saw some VSF 10mm and a new SF game called Dropzone Commander which was previewed at Salute with examples of an extensive range of models. Would you convert your SF/VSF games to 10mm? Yes/No?
Would you keep what you have and start 10mm? Yes/No?

Ive seen a number of negative comments in all genres about 10mm figures.

Different strokes and all that, but I've recently become really interested in 10mm, at least for massed infantry-type gaming. I really like the look.

No. 28mm and 15mm seem to fit the bill, along with 6mm. There is already so much available in these 'traditional' scales… and most folks in the audience are already heavily invested in one or more of these other scales (28, 15, 6).

Now starting from scratch or a new project (!!!). Maybe. Depends on the quality and price of the product… DropZone Commander, eh? Sounds interesting.

Rather than unlikely but not impossible to both questions for SF. For VSF as I have not yet started there is a good possibility that I may start in 10mm. Having thought about starting the genera and liking some in that size that I've seen a good chance that that might be a future project.

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Nope.

Convert? No. But that's only because all scales have their place :)

So I'd have no problem with 10mm if I liked the models and such, but wouldn't give up on 15mm either. Heck, I've been toying with buying some of the the microarmor GZG sells, and that's 2mm!

More power to 'em, but all my VSF stuff is 28mm and will stay that way. If I WERE to do another scale it would be Black Hat's fabulous 18mm line that would get my cash…

I wouldn't convert to it, but I'd add it as another scale for VSF. In fact I plan to build a force in 10mm when we start to work on "Look,Sarge, No Charts: VSF"
I'm a big fan of 10mm already, and feel it is the perfect scale compared to 15mm(too big for that massed look) and 6mm (too small to clearly identfy troop types at normal table distances).

I think 10mm is the perfect scale for mass armies like ACW and Naps, but not sure about SF since I don't game the "F" word.

If I get into mass VSF it will be 10mm since that is what I have for everything. I might consider 28 or larger, but 15 is sort of an "excluded middle" for me.

I prefer 10mm for my painting style…..
In that scale for thrift sake as I have a lot of cheap Wizkidz mechwarrior figs…..and yes looking forward to dropzone commander
I hope the rules are good

No but only because I have 25mm for skirmish/company level stuff and would go to 6mm for bigger battles.

Any link of Dropzone Commander and its 10mm minis?

Their website isn't active:

hawkwargames.com

So I had to go to their facebook page to see the minis. They look more SF than VSF to me.

link

Those tanks are cool!

If I wasn't already severely invested in 15mm, *maybe*. Really depends on how well I could paint 10mm figures.

I am not a SciFiist, but I wouldn't convert my WWII to 10 mike mike.

I am pretty fully committed to 15mm/18mm for both VSF and Sci/Fi. Too much invested to make a change now. But I can see how 10mm would appeal for either or both.

The use of N-gauge railroad items gives you a lot of preexisting building, vehicles, scenics to use.

Also the cross scales open up. Many folks working in 25mm/28mm VSF use 1/48 and 1/35 model items to make massive war machines. If you are using 10mm troops, that makes 1/72 and 1/76 scale models useful for the same role. And there are a great many to choose from.

The main downside I see, is it would be hard to have hero figures at 10mm. Perhaps this is just me. But such small figures would be difficult to express as much as a 15mm. And conversion would be different as well. Hard to imagine a head swop on a 10mm figure. But then again, painting alone would make for a convincing conversion.

Hard to imagine a head swop on a 10mm figure.

I've done them, actually. By yes, at 10mm individual personality is not the strong suit. It is all trade-offs: More mass and less personality than 28mm; Less mass and more personality than 2mm. The 10mm SYW personality figures pendraken makes are (mostly) quite clearly who they are supposed to be.

Nope. 15/18mm and 25/28 mm for all my stuff. I do use 1:285 for WWII and 3rd worl war armor.

I have decided to strictly limit myself to 6mm and 15mm, so no. The only exceptions are for Naval and one-off games like Sedan Chair racing and Carpe Cerebra…

No.

But because I already have 4 scales of VSF. I do not need a 5th.

I'm all in favour of 10mm – great compromise between 6 & 15mm.

That said I'll not change,, because much as I like steampunk I just dont want to game it.

Sorry, but my moniker forbids it.

No, I like 28/32mm for skirmish and 6mm for big battles.

What billthecat said. Spot on.

John T

Interesting but no.

@Chris Palmer,

The Hawk game stuff for their Dropzone commander is as you stated SF. For 10mm VSF take a look at this

link

Al

Nice models pictured, they would make great drones or bots in 28mm, the only size I do. So no, I would not convert to 10mm. I am not interested in mass battles for Science Fiction, as they don't sit right with my imaginings. However, new stuff is always welcome in any scale if I think I can pull off a shift into 28mm. :)

You have apparently never played Supreme Commander, which is the vibe Dropzone Commander gives me ;)

Some cogent points made in favor of 10mm.

Who makes 10mm colonials, then?

J Womack-
Check out Pendraken from the Warstore for individual figures:

link

And Old Glory for figures cast in strips of 5:

link

What do you mean 'convert?' ;)
I've got CAV, Heavy Gear and Mechwarrior minis, all of which are around 1/144th scale. Definitely one of my favourite scales, there's enough detail in the infantry and it lends itself pretty well to massed armour combat without needing a hall to play in.
I'm so excited for Dropzone Commander I think I may wet myself :)

1/144 ísn't quite the same as 10mm (which should be more @ 1/160) tho is it? But I suppose it could be close enough for comfort, depending on how each manufacturer measures the minis. Some DzC minis for example are rather big for their nominal scale and I could seem them easily passing for 15mm even – or in some cases indeed as robots or drones in 28mm.

As to the answer to the OP question: no, I would not. I don't have time to play with my ca. 28mm stuff enough as it is.

Almost everything I own is 25/28mm, with the exception of 20mm WWII and now 10mm. When I began painting WWII figures, 20mm was the best game in town. If I was starting today, I'd probably go with 28mm.

As for 10mm, I've been doing a lot of it the last few years. I started with WWII, but I've been doing 10mm Napoleonic figures for the past two years. I really like the look of 10mm figures for large battles. For WWII, ACW, and Napoleonics, they really look like platoons, regiments, or battalions, respectively.

I wouldn't CONVERT to 10mm. I love 10mm for large battles and 25/28mm for small battles to skirmishes.

Buck

I'll stay with 28mm (I myself do not do much in 28), 15mm and 2mm for VSF. 28s for GASLIGHT role playing, 15mm for larger battles using Gaslight battles or TSATF or 800 Fighting Englishmen were just a few small vehicles are being used. Colonial historical and VSF can use the same figures in 15mm. 2mm for Land Ironclads and Aeronef battles where its all about giant machines. 10mm just falls between the cracks, The figures are too small for role playing and the slightly smaller scale down from 15mm doesn't allow that much more steam vehicles to be incorporated

I've considered 10mm. If it was for something I'm not already doing in 6mm I think it's a good alternative choice.
Currently, not doing sci-fi in 6mm.

I've no problem with 10mm; have a large B5 collection.

I'm less thrilled for VSF; I like the colorful uniforms and clunky vehicle designs I associate with it in larger figs.

Oh, merde, this is a poll discussion.

My mistake.

All, please note that this linked BOTH to VSF and 28mm. Might explain some of the confused interchanges above.

Doug

Nope. There are TONS of nice or cool looking miniatures out there in all scales, but I'm not buying them all. There's already tons of 15mm, which is close enough to 10mm. trying to break into a 'new' scale for scifi seems like folly.

6mm, 15mm, and 28mm only. I don't have the space or the money for anything else.

Using old Mechwarrior stuff for 10mm Dirtside II, bjt won't go any deeper than that.

No chance. I do 6mm, 15mm, 25mm and 28mm already. 6mm does what 10mm would for me. Besides one Company is unlikely to create a mass influx into 10mm when few others support the scale. Never say never. I just think its popularity is somewhere down the road if and when other companies jump on board like what happened in 15mm.

Thanks,

John

I don't like 10mm – I find it an unhappy medium between 6mm and 15mm. So, no, I wouldn't do VSF in 10mm.

10mm is actually my favorite scale, the perfect scale for everything, from mass battles to skirmish games.
a lot cheaper than 15mm and easier to paint than 6mm. Finally there are a lot of incredible miniatures:

pendraken.co.uk
tridentebologna.it/index_E.php
magistermilitum.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=3&strPageHistory=cat
kallistra.co.uk

and now, finally, some amazing sci-fi miniatures:
twitter.com/#!/hawkwargames

Convert? I'm converting to 10mm regardless of Dropzone Commander. Probably I will sell my 6mm sci-fi army to buy a Hawk Miniatures army. They will sell 4 armies with about 20 choices for every army, not just some spare sci-fi miniatures. So no need to wait for different miniatures from other manufacturers…

Paolo

Well, unless you prefer a wider variety of armies OR are trying to game in a particular background. There are some excellent Companies out there. However, no single Company covers everything for most gamers in 6mm, 10mm 15mm or 25mm.

Thanks,

John

"Well, unless you prefer a wider variety of armies OR are trying to game in a particular background. There are some excellent Companies out there. However, no single Company covers everything for most gamers in 6mm, 10mm 15mm or 25mm."

yes, I agree :)

The miniatures choice is not wide as for other scales but enought for me to play all my games, Hawk Wargames will be a nice addition to the small 10mm sci-fi range.

regards
Paolo

No

I guess it depends on how much detail and how close you have to get to look at the detail is how I determine it.

Cost, well, if you have a passion for a genre the cost works itself out, check 40k and warhammer prices versus the size forces they field. Nuff said on that.

No

The miniatures are breathless but 10mm is a scale too far. wish they would do 15mm.