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Garde de Paris03 Apr 2012 7:04 p.m. PST

In Christopher Duffy's recent wonderful books on the Austrian army, he gives a chart showing numbers of guns by caliber employed in the field during each year of the 7YW. The proportions are interesting, and something like 4 12pdrs to 7 sixpounders and 1 7 pound howitzer; to 24 3 pounders. That makes 12 "position guns" to 24 3- pounders. Some of the 3 pounders were retained in the battle reserve, while 2 were supposed to serve with each infantry battalion. In the last two years of the war, the Austrians had 385 3 pounders; 94 six pounders; 59 12 pounders; and 36 7 pound howitzers.

In books about the Prussians, and in commentary about the Prussians in these Austrian works, Duffy concludes that the artillery personnel in Frederick's army were much lower in status than the other forces. Yet he came up with a 12 pounder, essentially copied from the Austrian light 12-pounder, but with a conicle bore that cut down on powder – and power – behind the shot. These 12's were distributed among the infantry and provided giant shotguns to tear the Ausrtians apart, as at Liegnitz.

Frederick also became enamoured of the 7 pound howitzer, and Duffy states that he gave on to each battalion before the end of the war.

That could mean something like 120 to 180 as in the Austrian mix of 3 pounders, with 200 3-pounders.

At Liegnitz, the Austrians had 130 guns, Fred 120. Fred's 12-pounders with the infantry, plus a lot of 7 pounder howitzers, must have made his artillery much more devastating that we are led to believe.

I would appreciate how you all game, artillery proportions, etc. Does your Prussian artillery have that much more "punch?"

GdeP

de Ligne04 Apr 2012 3:21 a.m. PST

GdeP,
It depends on quite when you are building your armies for.
I am building my Austrians and Prussians to serve from the WAS through to the end of the SYW. The changes made to the Austrian artillery in the inter-war period, both in effectiveness and numbers, are the spur to the Prussians having to make changes to their own.

I agree on the proportions of 3pdrs in the Austrian army -they should form at least 50% of the available guns, excluding battalion pieces.

So my Austrian artillery will be poor in the WAS and significantly improved for the SYW. The Prussians will have the edge in the WAS and be seriously outnumbered in the first half of the SYW.

summerfield04 Apr 2012 6:16 a.m. PST

Dear GdeP
The understanding of the Atrillery as Christopher Duffy admits is flawed. Just read the Advice to Generals by Frederick the Great. He put a considerable amount of reliance in the later battles upon artillery.

Most of the problems were caused by beign ahead of the times. The gun founders in Prussia between 1740-56 had not perfected solid bore casting so the gun tubes suffered from flaws weaking them and causing them to fail. The chambered peices particularly suffered from this.

Most of the chambered pieces were lost in the first couple of years of the war.
Stephen

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