"Ugliest Stepchild of the 19th" Topic

Rank these relatively major but underplayed conflicts by your interest in gaming with 1 being the one you'd most like to game (or already game) and 3 being the one you'd least like to game:

Boer Wars (19th century only)
Crimean War
Franco Prussian War

I'd like to put 3,3,3 but I set the rules against it, so I guess I would say FPW 1, Boer Wars 2, Crimean 3. I'm not interested in any of them enough to even tell you why they lack appeal. Life is short yet I'd rather do some periods twice (Napoleonic army level and company level for example) than add one of those at this time.

1,3,2

3 2 1

1 FPW
2 Boer Wars
3 Crimean War

Boer War 1 (almost there, just need some more Boer commandos and artillery to do some skirmishes)
FPW 2 maybe, it's certainly colourful and interesting if somewhat lopsided
Crimean 3 too Napoleonic, so I'd rather just do Napoleonics (although the British cavalry and RHA uniforms are pretty snappy!)

1, 3, 2

3, 1, 2

Having just written a long post of why the 2nd Boer War isn't great to wargame, I'd still rather do it than the FPW (one-sided) and Crimea (Napoleonics commanded by incompetents).

That said, I have lived close to several ACW battlefields, and I'm not much interested in playing that war. The tactical balance is completely off.

I already game the FPW a bit and am interested in the Boer War, using TSATF rules, so my vote would be…
3, 1, 2.

Although; friends have talked about gaming the Crimean War with Black Poweder rules.
Joep

I have played the FPW quite a few times, mostly because a good friend puts on the games.
You are killing either French or Germans. What's not to like?

It's only one sided because one side was lead by total chowderheads.

As for the pthers, sure I'd game them, if someone else does all the heavy lifting.

3,3,3.

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1) Boer War – I have figures and have run games using The Sword and The Flame.

2) FPW – I'm collecting and basing forces as we speak. This is my big project for 2012.

3) Crimean War – Looks interesting. I'd game it if someone else went to the trouble of collecting figures for it.

3,1,2 unless Someone else bought, paid for and painted all the figures and terrain and gave them to me, in which case 2,1,3,

Pat

Major but underplayed wars of the 19th c.?

1: Russo-Turkish war of 1806

2: Russo-Turkish war of 1828

3: Russo-Turkish war of 1877

Compared to those three, the Boer, Crimean, & F-P generate more buzz than a Whitney Houston comeback tour.

1,2,3

Boer war meh, Crimean, too Napoleonic, I have always felt that if I did a big age of rifles war it would be FPW, pretty uniforms, lousy machine guns, heavy cavalry, what's not to like?

drum roll please………………………
CRIMEAN WAR! Thats why I like Russians BTW.

Boer war….Boring……..ba'dump'''
FPW, stand half a mile away and shoot at each other. or close the range and massacre yourselves. nahhhhhhhh' Germans win tho, thats a good thing.
so see above.

1 FPW
2 Boer Wars
3 Crimean War

3,2,1

For me it is 1, 1, 1. My best mate has Crimean and Boer War figures and we both have FPW figures.

Jim

2, 1, 3 for me.

Probably 1,3,2 for me. I actively want to play the Boer War; the other two I don't really have a drive to but I do like what I have seen of the French uniforms of the FPW.

3,2,1. Altho I'm not really sure why. I will play any of them, but don't want to do the heavy lifting as the OFM would say.

312

FPW 1, Boer Wars 2, Crimean 3

Here's a quiz:

What 19th Century War:

*Lasted 15 months

*Involved three European nations, and caused another to declare
war TWICE during the war.

*Larger forces than either the 1859 or Crimean Wars: Armies of
over 200,000 for each Nation, 300,000+ for two.

*Large Cavalry forces

*More casualties than the the Crimean and 1859 wars put together

*Was one of the causes of the Crimean War and first war to use
percussion caps on muskets

*The leader of one of the nations involved was only the second
foreigner to speak to the US Congress and the only one to have
a U.S. county named after him.

*Nearly brought the US into a war with A European Nation [A
declaration of war was drawn up…]

It's my vote for "Ugliest Stepchild" among 19th Century Wars. It was as large or larger than 2 or 3. And while not as large or politically significant as the FPW, it is easily up there with the Boer Wars and the Crimean.

And most folks have never heard of it, so it never shows up on these kinds of 'lists.' [And no, it isn't the Carlist Wars.]

Bill H.

Jenkins Ear 2: Electric Boogaloo.

What do I win?

Jenkins Ear 2: Electric Boogaloo.

What do I win?

The Novelty War Award for the Best 1970's reference. It is a pair of bell bottoms and a very wide belt.

Cool, now I won't have to wear the same pair on Friday AND Saturday night.

The Opium war?

The Opium War?

The Hungarian Revolution of 1848-49 between Austria, Hungary, and Russia.

During that time, Sardina declared war on the Austrians twice, once in 1848 when Vienna was taken by revolutionaries and then defeated by Radezky. Then when the Hungarians looked like they were going to defeat the Austrians, the Sardian King again attacked Austria in 1849.

Most of the Mid-century politics in central Europe were directly influenced by the war. When the Hungarians lost, a good number of them escaped to Turkey and set up a colony there. Russia and Austria tried to pressure Turkey into giving up the Hungarians, first by sending a fleet, which the Allies intercepted in 1851. Then when Turkey insisted the Russians leave Turkish Moldavia [which they invaded on their way to Hungary with Turkish 'permission', and then never left.] That was the spark that started the Crimean War. When Austria didn't come to Russia's aid when asked, the rest of Europe called Austria "The Ungrateful Ally" which is why Austria couldn't find Allies in 1859 and 1866--because of that fallout from the Hungarian War.

The Hungarian War is a large war, with formal battles with 40-60,000 on a side and lots of small and insurgency engagements. The entire Hungarian cavalry force of more than 20,000 were all hussars and lancers.

A very see-saw conflict, finally ended when, at the request [begging is more accurate] of the nearly defeated Austrians, the Russians invaded from the east with 200,000 men in the Spring of 1849.

Bill H.