"14th Brooklyn in 28mm" Topic

I have been looking to paint a unit of these for my Eastern Iron Brigade. I was planning on using Redoubt Western Zouaves. How accurate do you think these are and how close to the Chasseur style uniforms of the actual unit?

From what I can see, they look pretty close – baggy red pants, short jacket with red trim and red kepi – looks like they would work to me

They will work 'okay' if you aren't so picky. There is no one that makes them in 25/28mm so everyone is in the same boat. The Chasseur style isn't covered… sadly.

BTW, they weren't in the Iron Brigade.

Don

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14NYSM not part of the Eastern Iron Brigade??

Rapier minatures do a chasseur style trousers or pants as some call them, with kepi. buttons up the front of the jacket & square cut shelljacket. in some pics theres a red `dot` in the middle of the kepi is that part of the uniform or a corp badge?
You will have to add some details. The whole range is well moulded & fits neatly with all the regular figure ranges mentioned on tmp. As i said they do need equipment.

"14NYSM not part of the Eastern Iron Brigade??"

No, it wasn't. The Iron Brigade was the 1st brigade/1st div./1st Corps. The 14th Brooklyn (84th NYSV) was part of 2nd/1st div./1st Corps. The Iron Brigade was made up of all 'western' state regiments. The 84th was from NY State so would not have been included.

Don

As Don said nobody does them but you can look at some Perry in kepi and chasseur trousers. They are close but not exact.

Rapier miniatures make a zouave in kepi/ chasseur trousers/gaiters. Buttons on the front of jacket which is the correct square cut for 14th Brooklyn.Perrys are nowhere close.

I was talking about the Eastern or First Iron Brigade rather than the western Iron Brigade.

Joe,

Huh? What are you talking about "Eastern or First Iron Brigade rather than the western Iron Brigade"? THE "Iron Brigade" was the brigade made up of western state regiments in the Army of the Potomac. It was never known as the "first Iron Brigade" or "Eastern Iron Brigade". As was stated above the 14th Brooklyn (or 84th NYSV) was also in the Army of the Potomac. Both the Iron Brigade and 14th never fought in any other army, east or west.

BTW, the 14th didn't really wear baggy trousers. Like the 114th PA (Colllis' Zouaves), both wore trousers that were very unlike the 'typical' Zouave trousers. They were straighter or like the cut like the standard issue trousers but red colored.

The jacket for the 14th also was NOT like the jacket for Zouaves. It had a vest with a false open jacket sewn over it. There other differences which makes any other sculpt wrong if you care about miniature accuracy. Many people don't care one way or another and that's cool but also many players do care so it is a shame it is not available in 25mm.

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Yup… that's why Wiki shouldn't be your first source for info. :)

Up to you , my friend.

It is supposed to be your history after all.

hahahaha… yes it is our American Civil War but there is a difference between history and Wiki. I can't take the heat for BS on Wiki. Sorry. Read a book about THE Iron Brigade. That's the best way to deal with this issue. I can recommend dozens if you are really interested. :)

I remember reading some years ago something along the lines of 'not not confusing the Iron Brigade of the West with the Eastern Iron Brigade', made up of Eastern State regiments rathrer than Western States.

I did come across these –
PDF link
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Cheers,

Barry

Back to the original thread. Nobody makes an accurate figure of the 14th Brooklyn in 28mm. I think it's about time the Perry's did so! They did the 11th New York which are useable in only one historical battle. The 14th fought in that same battle at 1st Bull Run and then right up to Gettysburg. It's about time someone gave them their due!

The 14th Brooklyn most certainly WAS in the *FIRST* (Original or Eastern) Iron Brigade which was composed of the 22nd, 34th, and 30th New York Infantry, the 14th Brooklyn and the 2nd United States Sharpshooters.

Here is a photo of the "First Iron Brigade" medal given to vets after the war:

Here is a link to a scholarly book called The Original Iron Brigade (as in they earned the name first – as in they earned it in April of 1862 before the 6th Wisconsin of the Western Iron Brigade had even seen battle for the first time): link

Sounds like some are trying to re-write history via Wiki and recently published books.

Next thing you will be telling me is that it was the Red Devils that initiated the charge on the Railroad cut July 1st 1863 at Gettysburg. :)

Others may try to claim the moniker, but there was only one real "Iron Brigade" and it did not include any fancy pants from NY. ;)

Connoisseur has a 14th Brooklyn Private in an advancing pose and the figure has the small lace loops on the jacket and is wearing gaiters…..Bicorne Miniatures in the UK stocks them….

They got the name for marching.

@ don effinger … "The Iron Brigade was the 1st brigade/1st div./1st Corps. The 14th Brooklyn (84th NYSV) was part of 2nd/1st div./1st Corps. The Iron Brigade was made up of all 'western' state regiments. The 84th was from NY State so would not have been included."

Your statement applies to the 1862-1863 period only. By 1864, the composition of the (Western) 'Iron Brigade' was altered. And yes, they actually did have New York regiments added to the brigade, although not the 84th NY. Here are two snapshots of the brigade from 1864 and 1864:

Fifth Corps, Fourth Division, First Brigade (May, 1864):
7th Indiana, 19th Indiana, 24th Michigan, 1st New York Sharpshooters, 2nd Wisconsin, 6th Wisconsin, 7th Wisconsin.

Fifth Corps, Third Division, First Brigade (April, 1865):
91st New York, 6th Wisconsin, 7th Wisconsin

Source: see BATTLES AND LEADERS OF THE CIVIL WAR (VOLUME 6)

Just what we need: A War Between the Yanks.

Next thing you will be telling me is that it was the Red Devils that initiated the charge on the Railroad cut July 1st 1863 at Gettysburg. :)
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Nope! The 95th NY did! :-)

Bob C.

Bob,

Errr… you mean the 6th Wisconsin, right? :)

So one night I am watching TV and I happen on Comedy Central and Stephen Colbert is doing the Colbert Report and he is talking about Truthiness where a bunch of people agree something is true and now it is and he goes on to explain that some random kind of elephant isn't endangered but in fact has multiplied in population a slew of times and is now over running villages and see, it is now, thanks to the audience, on Wikipedia so it must be true.

The Iron Brigade
2nd Wisconsin
6th Wisconsin
7th Wisconsin
19th Indiana
24th Michigan

There was a cavalry brigade that also received the name present at Gettysburg as well.

Cheers,

The Bandit

Question. Did the Iron Brigade still wear frock coats and Hardee hats in the campaigns of 1864? I know there is some evidence the sack coat was gaining in use by Gettysburg. Was there a new issue/refitting of frocks and Hardees for the upcoming Overland Campaign?

Did the 7th Indiana and 1st New York Sharpshooters even bother with frocks and Hardees, or kept their forage caps and sack coats?

Rapier miniatures have a couple that look good for the 14th Brooklyn:
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ACW 030 Zouave cammand in kepi
ACW 033 Zouaves firing/loading in kepi
Plus 0331,032 with no photos
I for one am interested in building a complete unit of these troops.
Anyone else know any other manufacturers?

Jorge

I also looked at the Renegade website for :
ACW50 ADVANCING KEPI & BACKPACK (8)
I noticed that the jacket is shorter. My Green stuff-fu is sorely lacking.

Anyone…

Bueller?…Bueller?…Bueller?…

Jorge

Jorge,

Do you want to do an accurate models or just a substitute? Right now there is _no_ one that does a proper 14th Brooklyn. Their shell (14th) had a false open jacket pulled open a bit. Most sculptors do not depict that. They just have a shell jacket. Also they have Kepis not Forage caps, straight trousers not baggy, no cartridge box sling, a box knapsack and gaiters.

Look at the pics in this link. The dude on the right shows it okay.

Don

@ d effinger:

Yes, I'd like to have miniatures that are an actual representation of the unit and I am aware of their distinctive uniform. I think I'm going to have to use a sculpting service like Eureka's to do that, but the cost involved is significant to say the least. But this unit's actions in many major engagements during the war make it a strong candidate for inclusion in my army. That and the fact that I am from Brooklyn seals the deal for me.
So, the thing for me to do is to save up $$$ and have the unit done right and proper.

I merely noted that the minis I mentioned are possible substitutions and those people who's green stuff-fu is strong can make the necessary modifications to the figures.
Alas, my skills are sorely lacking and I am alone here in my endeavour.

Thanks,

Jorge