"BOLO / OGRE ideas?" Topic

If you were to kit bash an Ogre or BOLO for 15mm what would you use as the base hull? It does not have to look like the original art work. It doesn't even need to have the main hull with extended "trailer" on the back end.

Jon at Khurasan has already made it clear it is cost prohibitive and would probably not generate enough sales. I doubt any other manufacuter will produce one. CPTJAKE has the only 15mm Ogre I know of and its OOP.

CPTJAKE has the only 15mm Ogre in I know of and its OOP.

Some other TMPer has one too, 'cause I sold off my spare.

Not that this info helps you at all.

Maybe look at 1:35 scale models as a base for the hulls. I have an old t34 model I was going to try to make OGREish that I never got around to. The tracks would obviously not be a perfect match but as a starting point I though the hull would work for me.

Khurasans Siler (or whatever their big tank is) would be a good start for a MKI or MKII I think.

Not sure how I'd do it exactly, but I'd probably take four 15mm tank hulls and add a platform to combine them.

Combat Wombat's Type 123 tracked MBT is a good candidate as are Old Crow's Lancer and Sabre.

An Action Fleet Sand Crawler for the treads, swapping out the hull for something else.

Check the Brazos Evil Empire blog for evidence of another 15mm OGRE model.

For scratchbuilding, you could use a plastic container of some sort as the basis for your hull, or you could even build one out of Legos (or their generic equivalent).

For the OGRE, I'd work up the basic shape from sheet plastic with reinforcing bulkheads. Those nice, flat surfaces would be fairly easy to cut out and assemble.

For the BOLO, most artwork shows a more rounded shape. I'd probably cut the basic hull shape from foam using a hot-wire cutter.

Treads and weapons from other tank models or toys.

A 148th or 135th Maus would do as a start

Capt Jake,

How bout a picture of yours??

Someone had a site where they made 28mm sized ones for conventions . Really big but way cool .

I've got a Roco Jadgpanzer Kanonen that I thought would be a nice base for a 1/285 Bolo. I understand Revell did a model in 1/35.

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so of the toy tanks or small scale gi joe tanks would work for a cybertank mk1 maybe

Ahem. I have a 1/72 scale BOLO I built for Starguard about 20 years ago:

gallery.me.com/blackwidowpilot

You'll find the photos in the album marked "Recycling With an Attitude."

The chassis was a 1/35 scale Soviet T-62 kit IIRC. The turret was a plastic model kit of the Millennium Falcon from The Battle for Hoth plastic model set from AMT, plus lots of extra bits. The figures for scale are a pair of 1/72 scale Starguard Recon Troopers.

Hope this helps!

Leland R. Erickson

E100. It's already got the super-wide tracks and the angled hull. Then you'd just need to make some smaller track units.

Thanks to all of you!

Brazo's looks like it was cut out of foam core and then extra bits were added.

Legos is an excellent idea I might explore to build the hull and extra bits. Then I would put tracks on possibly a couple of Silers worth.

The Roco panzer Kanon 1/35 is another good choice with the centrally located main gun. The hull has a similar shape to an Ogre.

@Black Widow

Your kit bashing is an inspiration. I may do something similar with an E-100.

Keep coming with the ideas I may use combinations of all!

Winchell Chung's OGRE for Steve Jackson Games is blocky enough that I think I would ask nicely of those who have the 15mm scale FOGRE for specific measurements of their model. I'd then use plastic card, foam core, and other assorted bits to kitbash one.

well, exactly how big do you want it to be vs a 15mm tank?

well, exactly how big do you want it to be vs a 15mm tank?

Erickson's Rule of BOLO Design #1: Sizing Your BOLO to Scale.

Step 1. Take a standard heavy MBT in the scale you want to build your BOLO in.

Step 2. Take the tank, turn it sideways, and place it up against the front of one of the treads of the proposed BOLO chassis. If the length of the MBT is more than half the width of the BOLO track, then the BOLO is an early series model.

If the length of the MBT is less than half the width of the track of the BOLO, then the BOLO is a mid series model.

If the length of the MBT is less than one quarter the width of the BOLO's tread, then the BOLO is a late production mark such as the Mark XXXIX Horrendous.

Simplicity in and of itself, really.

Leland R. Erickson

Here are some pics of mine:

He may be for sale soon.

That thing is equally TERRIFICALLY AWESOME in its coolness and at the same TOTALLY UNPRACTICAL for actualy wargaming, save perhaps at some convention as a demonstration game.

:-D

But the juvenile side of me can't stop liking it!

I don't see how it would be impractical to use.

Just need the right scenario.

"TOTALLY UNPRACTICAL for actualy wargaming"

I want one for center piece objective. The Ogre or Bolo is undergoing routine maintenance at a depot that is well guarded. The OPFOR's mission is to hack into its computer, take control of the vehicle and drive it off the table. To accomplish this the technician must be in direct contact with the vehicle and roll a series of sixes on a six sided die to overcome its software defenses. There will be security forces to contend with and they will get a steady amount of reinforcements per turn.

Another scenario I had in mind, the Ogre / Bolo has broken down in no mans land. The OPFOR would like to destroy the vehicle before it can be recovered. At this time it would not be possible to nuke the vehicle with cruise missiles due to defenses the enemy has in place. The mission is to place a shaped charge nuke directly under the vehicle and remote detonate it. The enemy has a security detachment in place.

I meant "for wargaming with it as a playing piece".

Sure, if immobile as a terrain feature or decoration it can have its place.

;-)

One more scenario I had in mind is putting a series of tables together by long ends to represent a narrow valley. The Ogres mission is to drive up the valley and exit the far end. The defender will have a massive combined arms defense in place. Under this scenario the premise is no one is firing nuclear shells its all conventional rounds in my fluff.

This one I think would be good to introduce kids to gaming they get to cause massive amounts of death and destruction and feel like they are an action hero.

Stats for Fubar…

Level- Elite

Support Weapons- 1 Super Heavy Cannon 12 FP
2 Heavy Cannons 6 FP Each
6 Cruise Missile 6 FP each ( One shot items)
10 HMG 4 FP each

Armor- Very Heavy 2+ Save

The Ogre / Bolo can take 6 mobility hits.

2 hits decrease movement by 1/3
4 hits decreases movement by 2/3
6 hits vehicle is imobilized.

Ignore stunned results and vehicle destroyed on damage table.

MARS (that is his name): You must make it through the urban center back to your re-arm/refuel point. Your ROE makes destruction of civilian infrastructure a bad thing. You have (platoon or squad of) infantry to guide you through the area.

Other side: You must delay OGRE movement through the urban center long enough for your sister unit to destroy the LOG Point it is heading to. If you can immobilize or destroy it, even better.

"He may be for sale soon."

When?

Yes, when?

I'd like to get my bid of 200 quatloos on record right now!

Here are some pics of mine:

It's very nice… but it's too small to be a BOLO..

Leland R. Erickson

I'd like to get my bid of 200 quatloos on record right now!

"Quatloos?!" You seriously think you can acquire such a machine for a trifle like mere quatloos?! Bah!!!!

You want one of these? You have to FIGHT to the death for it in the arena like everyone else! Now stop disrupting the flow in the Dealer's Room, get back in line and wait your turn!

Leland R. Erickson

All right, I'm not sure what todays conversion rate is for quatloos to gold pressed latinum, but I'll give it a shot…

FYI, Triskelion converted the arena to a concert hall after Kirk's little match, by the way.

"FYI, Triskelion converted the arena to a concert hall after Kirk's little match, by the way."

Yeah, I know… those were the days! Typical "Federat" that Kirk, civilizing anyone and everyone wherever he went…

Now where DID I put those two sci-fi toy tanks I found at WalMart 3 years ago? They're gonna be a perfect *pair* f matched BOLOs for 15mm…. Mwahahahaahahahaaa!!

Leland R. Erickson

Sorry to necro this thread but I just saw it. I believe I am the other person that Capt. Jake spoke about. I bought this 15mm Ogre quite some time ago. I still love her.

What's the deal with the gun mounts on the back? They don't seem to be able to actually shoot at anything.

What's the deal with the gun mounts on the back? They don't seem to be able to actually shoot at anything.

If you're referring to the secondary battery guns on the top of the forward segment, IIRC my Ogre lore, they handle their business by delivering 360-degree plunging fire. The Ogre's guns are firing nuclear shells BTW, so finesse is not an issue here.

Of course, the trouble with such an arrangement is that if anyone's got a computerized counterbattery laser system handy…

Leland R. Erickson

Could be argued that they were ahead of their time.

US Navy has been looking at Vertical-Firing Guns for a while now – eliminates the need for a turret, and the weight is shifted lower in the hull. Incidentally allows for a much larger barrel diameter.

I think they may have been eclipsed by railguns, but doesn't mean they couldn't be a viable weapons system.

Not sure counter-battery fire would be different in any useful way from firing on the OGRE normally, given that they don't *do* stealth.

Not sure counter-battery fire would be different in any useful way from firing on the OGRE normally, given that they don't *do* stealth.

Well, it *would* have the advantage of potentially keeping the Ogre's nuclear-tipped cannon shells from actually hitting your troops… just sayin'!

Leland R. Erickson

Counter battery fire is returning fire on an artillery position, usually using the incoming fire to backtrack and locate that position.

It is not an attempt to intercept the incoming rounds, generally.

Farstar's point is that locating the OGRE is usually not the issue…

'There it is!'
'Where? Behind that building?'
'Uhh… that's not a…' <boom>

Ghostrunner,

Thank you for the correction! Indeed, what I meant was intercepting fire of incoming rounds.

You' re also correct about the issue of stealth and an Ogre/BOLO; actually, Sir, that ain't no house! Dat's our armor support!

Leland R. Erickson

Erickson's Rule of BOLO Design #1: Sizing Your BOLO to Scale.

Step 1. Take a standard heavy MBT in the scale you want to build your BOLO in.

Step 2. Take the tank, turn it sideways, and place it up against the front of one of the treads of the proposed BOLO chassis. If the length of the MBT is more than half the width of the BOLO track, then the BOLO is an early series model.

If the length of the MBT is less than half the width of the track of the BOLO, then the BOLO is a mid series model.

If the length of the MBT is less than one quarter the width of the BOLO's tread, then the BOLO is a late production mark such as the Mark XXXIX Horrendous.

Simplicity in and of itself, really.

Yeah, sounds about right. Fortunately, OGREs are not as big as BOLOs.

Did I ever post the rough dimensions of a P1000 Ratte in 1/100 scale? 35cm long, 14cm wide, 11cm tall. Each track would be 12mm wide, with three tracks per side (side by side, not front to rear). Basically, steal a GW Land Raider for your FoW army!

Wasn't the Combine's Ninja an example of a stealthy Ogre cybertank?

Well, they tried to make something the size of a heavy cruiser stealthy…

Not sure how effective they were.

The Ninja is only stealthy by comparison.

I will offer 3,782 bling blings for one of those 15mm OGREs.

Captn Jake- or anyone else. Do you have one (or two) of those 15mm Ogres for sale? email me at woodenwars1815(at)gmail (dot)com
or just PM me here. Very interested, as I'm penciling out a new set of sci Fi rules.
Here's a couple of shots of my "6mm" ones

Cheers
Thomas Foss
skullncrown.blogspot.com
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If only it was easier to manufacture large flat sided vehicles…

It seems like an idea for laser cut terrain manufacturers.

Does seem like a natural for Mad Mecha Guy, doesn't it? ;->=

Doug

That is an excellent thought!

The Dragon models of the E100 would be good
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Certainly for early OGRE's; 'The Ogre Mark I cybertank is basically a large tank with a computer on board.'

Later ones don't seem right unless you say, under your breath, 'mountain of iron.' Less of has a humongous turret, more of humongous turrets hang from it.

I love my Squat Land Train from 1/35 Maus and armored train cars, but it still has a bit of WWII feel under the hood, you know.

Even with art work, my vision of Bolos are too colored by OGREs not to see as similar.

Doug

I have always thought that the Leviathan on Daemonscape would make a nice base for a Bolo.
daemonscape.com/index.html
On page five under 28's vehicles. For 15's it would be a rather large tank on the table!

Remember if one was to field a true scale Bolo it wound take up about a quarter of the table or better!