Editor in Chief Bill | 02 Feb 2012 11:28 a.m. PST |
Imagine that you're participating in a tournament. The rules of the tournament require that all models be painted. When your adversary deploys his forces, he places a "woods" on the table. Rather than using a conventional model, he is using a "woods" that has been obviously been hastily constructed from the cardboard of a pizza box. What do you do? * ignore it – let's play! * ask your opponent to remove it from play * ask a tournament official to enforce the rules (assuming the player refuses to remove it) * other (explain) |
Angel Barracks | 02 Feb 2012 11:30 a.m. PST |
other, depends if the terrain will benefit me. Not that I play in competitions. |
Bob in Edmonton | 02 Feb 2012 11:39 a.m. PST |
* ignore it – let's play! Who knows what happened on the way to the game. I've certainly had to fabricate a few things on short notice when I've forgotten them or there has been a mishap. |
darthfozzywig | 02 Feb 2012 11:43 a.m. PST |
Is there still pizza and can I have some? |
darthfozzywig | 02 Feb 2012 11:48 a.m. PST |
The weirdest case of "this really stands for that" proxying I've ever encountered was also the last time I played 40k in a game store with a random opponent. This kid (maybe 15 years old) was setting up his Ork army when he started placing – no kidding – tampon applicators on the tabletop. I sat there in stunned silence for a minute as one after another was set up, each on two little sticks he had glued to them. I asked what they were supposed to be and he informed me they were "Pulsa Rokkits" (some 2e Ork thing). I then asked a question to which I really didn't want to hear the answer: where did he get them? "Oh. My mom." I really don't regret not having played 40k in a game store since 1994. |
GR C17 | 02 Feb 2012 11:50 a.m. PST |
darth-- Did you tell him what they were
or did you let that go? |
WarWizard | 02 Feb 2012 12:23 p.m. PST |
*respectfully* ask opponent to remove it from play. |
PygmaelionAgain | 02 Feb 2012 12:29 p.m. PST |
I'd probably ask the T.O. (politely) if there were any store terrain that could be used instead of Little Greaser's Insta-Trees-a. That way a) You are constructively trying to better the game for yourself. b) You are looking out for your opponent as well c) You are looking out for the T.O., so that no passers by see what a low budget tournament they're running. d) You aren't seen as some kind of rule-monger, but instead are just trying to make everything look better. If your opponent is upset because of all the painstaking cheese removal they had to do, then I suppose there's no accounting for taste, and you should just play on. Alternately, demand that he make a difficult terrain check for moving in or out of it, and deny him his pepperoni save! |
Palewarrior | 02 Feb 2012 12:33 p.m. PST |
As long as the models are painted I'd play around drink cans, upturned dinner plates & drawings of ponds. |
Altius | 02 Feb 2012 12:44 p.m. PST |
Ignore it. Screw the rules. |
VonTed | 02 Feb 2012 12:48 p.m. PST |
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coryfromMissoula | 02 Feb 2012 1:06 p.m. PST |
Normally I'd say just play, but rereading the question, are the woods meant to be there as a feature of the army rather than normal terrain? i.e. After terrain set up you may place one additional 8" woods tile for every elven super archer unit you field? In that case I can understand an arguement that the woods should be considered part of the army and meet the painted standards. I'd still go with play, after all the box has already been painted/colored/dyed on one side and I doubt the rules say "appropriately painted", but I'd throw out some good natured ribbing to go with it. |
teboj17 | 02 Feb 2012 1:16 p.m. PST |
If he left his real ones at home or they got lost then I would offer him one of mine to use. If he was just lazy and though that it would pass as a wood I would tell him that he could not use it. |
ming31 | 02 Feb 2012 2:17 p.m. PST |
If it wasn't greasey and could get my mini's all cruddy . I would deal with it . |
darthfozzywig | 02 Feb 2012 3:32 p.m. PST |
Did you tell him what they were
or did you let that go? Honestly, I was so stunned I didn't really know what to say. I don't think he quite understood what he was using, and I wasn't about to be the one to have "the talk" with him. |
jefritrout | 02 Feb 2012 3:38 p.m. PST |
Sometimes, delivery pizzas come with 3 prong plastic "T's" in the middle of the box to ensure that the box doesn't crush and get the pizza cheese all stuck to it. We have taken some of the "T's" and (after thoroughly washing them) painted them brown and grey and used clump foilage to make trees. Granted they are great in 15mm scale, more like a clump of bushes in 25. That's want I think of as Pizza woods. |
Tazman49684 | 02 Feb 2012 6:09 p.m. PST |
The tampon casings
.. I wouldnt have used them,
.period
;) |
Jana Wang | 02 Feb 2012 6:36 p.m. PST |
If it was part of the army, and painted I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as scratch-built models were allowed by the tournament rules. Otherwise I'd want to get a judge over and ask "Is that legal?" |
CeruLucifus | 03 Feb 2012 11:05 a.m. PST |
Like some others here I would get the story on why the player had to use pizza box cardboard at an organized event that required painted models. I would not call a judge over to try to get the player or terrain disqualified; that would be no fun for the other player, I might lose an opponent out of it, and the game most likely benefits from having the terrain on the table. If I had suitable substitute terrain available I would offer it for use. I might ask the tournament organizer if they had any loaner terrain. The tampon casings -- presumably clean and unused -- I would consider a resourceful use of commonly available household items, and kudos to the gamer's mom for helping him round out his wargames army. If they were modeled up and painted I probably wouldn't even figure out what they were, just go oh you scratchbuilt that? cool. |
oldgamer | 03 Feb 2012 12:15 p.m. PST |
I don't know what it is, but something about reading this string makes me want to head back to SWA for a couple of weeks. |
Lentulus | 03 Feb 2012 12:40 p.m. PST |
* ask a tournament official to enforce the rules (assuming the player refuses to remove it) In the situation you describe, the terrain is part of the army since it is used by your opponent as part of his play to give him advantage. I also don't play tournaments. |