"Red Dawn 2012: Any Useful Scenarios At All?" Topic

Americans, meet your new leader!

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I had such high hopes for a Red Dawn remake, until Hollywood decided to make the invaders North Koreans instead of Chinese*:

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And all those cool propaganda posters wasted!

But, what do YOU think?

Not even worth trying gaming scenarios based on the new premise?

Or could it be gamed as a tiny force sneaking a doomsday device, like in Peter Sellers film "The Mouse That Roared"?

But with slightly better weaponry, of course! :)

Dan
* I guess that's why they keep postponing the film.

The Norks are the baddies now?

Heh. When Netflix gets it I may watch it.

Makes you wonder who our real leader is, doesn't it?

I was so looking forward to seeing these in a US invasion game:

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But I guess there's nothing to stop me from doing so. I'll just go with the original pre-China veto version concept of the remake!!!

Dan
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Well, the propaganda posters you show are darned close to <deleted due to political nature of comment. CPT Jake will take a short vacation to one of the re-education camps and return once his mind is in order>

Wow. So true! I totally get what you mean!!!

Conquered without a shot fired.

Seriously, the new remake concept of using North Korea makes the idea of a domestic threat so much more realistic for gaming:

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Dan

According to link , the invaders will be a multinational coalition of which North Korea is a part. Maybe that makes it better?

The original was about a Cuban/ Nicaraguan/ Soviet invasion from Mexico and a Soviet invasion through Alaska, which sounds about as unbelievable as a modern North Korea invasion now TBH.

If you can swallow the whole invasion scenario or just ignore it completely, the movie will hopefully give us some good scenarios for any guerilla vs foreign occupier games.

Actually, The NK could be allied to the Chines that invaded every where else. Also, VietNam, Myanmar and everyone else that doesn't like us. The old Invasion America SPI game had the Pan-Asian League, South American Union and the European Socialist Coalition all invade so you could mix 'n match every one. I'd throw in the African Federated States, the Mid-East Conglomerate and Aliens from Antarctica.

From ComradeCommisar's link: "It also looks like the LA Times didn't get the whole story on who the invaders are. Yes, N. Korea is involved, but I was told that the invaders are a group made up of more than just N. Koreans."

LOL. They (Hollywood, pulled by the master puppeteers) are really grasping at straws now.

And how would all these confederates make it over here? Most of them can barely transport supplies from one part of their countries to another (except the "Aliens from Antarctica", of course)!

Priceless!

Dan

The Chinese have no need to invade the USA.

They can just send in the bailiffs to close on the debts owed to them!

You guys are cracking me up. My sides hurt! I feel like I've been doing abs.

Dan

There is a new movie that has just been released in Australia. Its called "Tomorrow when the war began". A complete rip off of the "RED DAWN" story but with Australia being invaded.
I was reluctant to watch it, but was half dozing in my chair when my wife put it on and decided I couldnt be arsed moving. To my total and utter surprise…it was VERY GOOD. Well acted and thought out. Probably the biggest surprise in a movie sense that I've had in years. The characters were strong and the actors well chosen for each role.

Not as patriotic, jingoistic as RED DAWN was. Just a bunch of frightened teenagers having to grow up fast and adjust to an unexpected situation.

It was perhaps the 'unexpected situation' that I found the hardest to accept. Any event such as it was supposed to be depicting would have been preceded by times of tension and international threat. So the kids would have had to hear about it and catch on what had happened a bit quicker than they did. So I could not swallow the total surprise angle. But apart from that it was very impressively done. And I dont usually like war movies much as they are usually not very impressive!!!!

From the way it ended I think it might have been a pilot for a TV series.

Sometimes you can't think too much about these things and you just have to play the game!

Mal Wright: "Any event such as it was supposed to be depicting would have been preceded by times of tension and international threat. So the kids would have had to hear about it and catch on what had happened a bit quicker than they did. So I could not swallow the total surprise angle."

LOL. You find teens completely detached from current events and reality difficult to accept?

I'll have to check out the film though. Anything has to be better than a NK invasion of the US. :)

ComradeCommisar: "Sometimes you can't think too much about these things and you just have to play the game!"

You might have a good point though.

Dan

There are a few scenarios in FOF book "Cold war Gone hot"….Mikey

I actually like the camo on these guys:

Gonna have to try and do the same with my PLA troops:

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Dan
PS. Check out the street sign here:

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Y'know, the scenario becomes decidedly less farfetched if you set the invasion in a country that could actually be invaded by the Chinese/NK/etc… Japan maybe?

Now, if these were the invaders . . . we'll be in a whole lotta trouble:

Dan

I'll put in a second for "Tomorrow when the war began". Awesome movie, and if you have teenagers on up, there is a series of books starting with Tomorrow When The War Began that won quite rightfully a LOT of awards.

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Scott,

Does either the film or the novels mention which country invades Australia?

By the way, check out this interesting map of Australia:

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Dan

Interesting . . .

""Homefront" is set in a near-future version of Earth where Korea has unified under the leadership of Kim Jong-un, the son of current real-life North Korea leader Kim Jong-il. A series of world events lead Jong-un to invade and occupy the United States. Our story opens after the change of power has occurred, with you being enlisted into an underground resistance group because of your background as a pilot. Alongside the solo campaign, "Homefront" also includes a team-based multiplayer mode with bells like character progression and whistles like kill streak bounties."

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I guess some people can put everything else aside and just game the thing.

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Dan

I have such a low opinion of this, if I expressed it I risk the DH.

Red DUMB sounds more like it.

That was bad,
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I played Homefront for a little bit while at the Philly USO. It's not a terrible game, just not very good. The story was weak. My suspension of disbelief wasn't strong enough to get past NK doing something like that, even with a peripheral role.

What we need, I think, is a list of who could feasibly invade who. I'm interested in doing something Red Dawn-style but set in the UK, but I'm lost as to who the invaders should be.

Hmm. For the UK I'd say Germany, while the US has other serious domestic problems to deal with:

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Dan

Perhaps some sort of European coalition is what I'll go with. Still, doesn't quite have the anti-communism paranoia that Red Dawn implies!

Could a modern neo-fascist Germano-Nordic world power, with a history of being defeated by the UK and the US, and holding a serious grudge against them, be scary enough to incite some of that paranoia?

They would start by claiming to be bringing the UK "back into the fold", either by diplomacy or by force.

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Easier to do when one of the UK's main partners (the US) is already occupied dealing with the aftermath of domestic nukes (Jericho scenario)!

I think that would be a little bit scary.

Dan

If one was inclined to set a Red Dawn-style campaign in the UK, I'd suggest doing something in the Last War in the Ogreverse.

Near future, oppressive regimes, multiple factions, and invasions from both sides of the Atlantic (well, a nominally friendly one from North America followed by a semi-liberation from a united Europe). Besides, who doesn't need a cybernetic wundertank in their game every now and again?

Of course, in the universe, you can also do a Pacific Rim invasion by the Japanese (from Chile to Vancouver, pick your hometown), replicating the original movie even more closely. Great fun all around.

Liking both ideas, perhaps a coordinated invasion of the UK and the USA at the same time by the Chinese and the Germans?

Meet your new Overlords:

Dan

Now the Koreans can finally stage their invasion properly …

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Dan

You can play red states vs. blue states, with amphibious landings by the commies being aided by socialist sympathizers in the coastal cities, areas, where they congregate, e.g. San Francisco, L.A., Seattle, Miami, etc.