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Captain dEwell03 Jan 2012 5:55 a.m. PST

Following on a theme by a fellow TMP-ster, does anyone have a similar suggestion for starting in the Spanish Civil War?

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(This suggestion concept could become hugely beneficial for all wargame periods)

Johny Boy03 Jan 2012 8:21 a.m. PST

Agreed a one stop thread for all things SCW including rules, uniforms, organisation etc. I'm using Peter Pig with Too Fat Lardies "I ain't been Shot Mum", Company level rules made up of of platoons of squads of 10 figs, eg a company = 3 x platoons, (each made up of 2 squads of 10)

For me, and i've yet to play the rules, the Lardes emphasis on characters driving unit efficiency, with allowances for and accepting the influence of morale, political motivation and training seem to pick up the key flavours of the period. What i particually like from what I've read on the net and gleaned from reviews is the rule's strong emphasis on the role of the "strong man", or character inspiring squads.

I'm hoping the rules will provide me with a skirmish type of feel to the game wher you are following the actions of individual squads and characters whilst also providing the tactical issues of supporting tanks, aircraft artillary etc.

in terms of the forces i'm building up, i'm aiming at three forces enabeling me to fight a Malaga scenario with militia versus ctv, with a guadalajara scenario pitting the same ctv against the garribaldi battalion international Brigde. Both options having a unique feel.

As a starting reference highly recommend the following link, scroll halfway down for the buenos colour plates, the book now is pretty expensive but the following cover most of the protagonists, as well as covering the Osprey plates; hope it helps.

url link

Outstanding link provided by xv brigada on the ctv from a recent tmp thread on scw.

urlhttp://miniaturasmilitaresalfonscanovas.blogspot.com/2011/05/boletim-n-25-de-la-agupacion-de.html

hope this helps to get the ball rolling

Johny Boy03 Jan 2012 8:27 a.m. PST

sorry last thread should read

url link

Martin Rapier03 Jan 2012 8:52 a.m. PST

I spent ages looking for rules which worked and ended up writing my own (or rather, adapting AK47 and some others). Anyhow I also went for Peter Pig and a relatively generic basing scheme of 30x30 bases with three figs for infantry types, two figs for cavalry, heavy weapons and LMGs on their own bases, HQ stands and some individually based leader types too.

The scheme will do for anything frrom 1:1ish team/group based rules up to one base = a battalion.

Initial units were based around battalions and brigades at one base = one company (which also scale up and down command levels nicely).

Nationalists: Army of Africa (both Legion and Moroccan units), Carlists and of course just the normal boring Peninsular Army types which are indispensible but everyone forgets about.

Republicans: Various militias (anarchist, communists, Durutti column), International Brigade, Popular Army and smallish numbers of Assault Guards.

Cavalry and artillery tend to be multi-purpose as do the Guardia Civil, whereas armoured vehicles are usually marked up as one side or the other.

Dropship Horizon03 Jan 2012 6:23 p.m. PST

Check out Steven Thomas's website link A bit dated now in places but a really good start online for the wargamer.

In brief, I'd suggest your first decision is whether you want to play with 'generic' SCW armies or those based on a specific timeframe battle and/or theatre. It's a common but mistaken conceit to lump all the elements of the war into a single melting pot and treat the forces of 1938/9 the same as those in 1936.

At the start of the conflict in 1936, you have mobile columns of political and trade union militia with hodgepodge support from loyal Asaltos and Peninsular troops, homemade armoured vehicles, the first international volunteers and a few Guardia Civil of dubious loyalty.

Facing these were rebel Peninsular army troops, Guardia Civil, Carlist Requete and Fascist Falange volunteers in their distinctive dress, though at first this was quite simple.

Very different professionalised armies faced each other from 1937 onwards.

Your choice may be dictated by your personal political leanings or culutural references such as Orwell's Homage to Catalonia. Maybe you just want 'colourful' armies or something a bit more fun than lines of khaki tanks and machineguns and damn the politics.

It may well be that if you have or have a hankering for WW2 Italian, early WW2 Russian, or Blitzkrieg Germans as much of the heavy weapons can crossover. Build a 1938 Italian
force for the SCW and you can use it in the Western desert with a few changes.

Choice may be down to figure availability in a particular scale, or your preference for a certain manufacturers figures.

My own 15mm Spanish Civil War armies allow me to fight the early 'Columns' period, where enthusiasm was more important than tactics, and where you can mix and match regular Peninsular Army and Para-Military formations to your hearts content with the volunteer and political militas on each side. Fun to collect, paint and game.

Added to these I have more regular forces based on the Battle of Guadalajara – Italian CTV and XII International 'Garibaldi' Brigade as I loved the idea of a fascist vs communist Italian grudge match.

Painting the figures, I suggest more greens in the Nationalists and more browns in the Republican forces (Vallejo Brown Violet is good). More Blues, blacks and civilian clothing early on. It is easy to mix and match figure bases if you choose your palette and troop choices carefully, creating different units wit character without having to go to the expense of buying all new forces.

For instance my Garibaldis are given a couple of bases of guys in black berets and typical checked Basque jackets to become a Basque formation. Add in a few more Pasamontanas and I have 'Connolly Column' (British Battalion).

Other pointers? Gaz trucks are good all rounders, they were based on a Ford chassis and suitably 1930's generic. Artillery? Anything Italian/Austrian WW1 or the larger French WW2 items (105 and 155mm) is rarely wrong – I go for the look of the field piece rather than strict accuracy. if in doubt, slap on spokes rather than pneumatic tyres. Please don't get French 75s or German 77mm – too hackneyed by half. Oh and if you can, base your gunners separately so you can switch the guns between armies or even use some of them in other conflicts (eg WW1/WW2).

Treat Bueno's colour uniform plates with due caution unless you want to play pulp Spanish Civil War.

Rules? You are on yer own with that one. A subject all on it's own.

Cheers
Mark

Grizzlymc04 Jan 2012 2:49 p.m. PST

I would begin either by overthrowing the communist government which is usurping the state or by defending those with the people's mandate from fascism.

Dropship Horizon04 Jan 2012 6:22 p.m. PST

LOL!

Thought I'd just come back to rules. It all depends what scale you want to play the conflict at.

I currently use Viva el Christo Rey by Pat Condray. Short, sharp, fun. Each base = company. You can field an entire International Brigade and still have change for Vino and Tapas.

Saw them on ebay today for $20 USD!!!! Think I paid about £3.00 GBP

Cheers
Mark

Captain J Aubrey16 Mar 2012 3:16 p.m. PST

I started looking at SCW stuff last year as a way of playing Blitzkrieg Commander II without using the World War 2 lists. I just wanted to do something different. I liked the fact that there were only two lists – Republican and Nationalist. I also have a fondness for really rubbish tanks and massed infantry with flags.

I've bought enough Pendraken figures for both sides to keep my painting table occupied for the next few weeks but I still need to order some more vehicles and artillery pieces. The aim is to be able to field about 3000pts per side.

AlanYork16 Mar 2012 5:10 p.m. PST

I've lost count of the number of 15mm SCW games we've had using Peter Pig's Bayonet and Ideology rules which are at company level. We think they're great and lots of fun, they don't require an encyclopedic knowledge of a 150 + page hard backed book at £25.00 GBP or so each either, as seems to be the current trend for wargames rules.

Viva la Republica!

Aubrey19 Mar 2012 2:47 a.m. PST

I watched Land & Freedom for the umpteenth time on Friday night. Very atmospheric and an excellent portrayl of the 'tensions' in Republican ranks. I'm looking forward to using my revamped Spanish Foreign Legion company at the club tonight (now equipped with Flamethrowers!).

Its good to see that Peter Pig are revisiting their Spanish Civil War range with photos of some rather tasty Assault Guards recently being added to the website.

My own forces for both sides continue to grow.

Great Period.

Cheers
Aubrey

Captain J Aubrey19 Mar 2012 12:11 p.m. PST

Franco needs a staff car!

I have a Pendraken 10mm Fraco and as he is going to be the Nationalist CinC for my BK2 army he needs special base. I would like a suitable vehicle for him. Searching has not turned up anything suitable. My googlefu is weak.

Help?

GrumpyOldMan20 Mar 2012 2:31 p.m. PST

Hi Capt Aubrey

For Franco you could consider:-

Pendraken Hispano Suiza Armoured car

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Pithead French staff cars

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Pithead Opel staff cars

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Pithead Skoda staff car

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Pithead Fiat staff car

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Pithead British staff cars

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Probably the Fiat and the Hispano Suiza would be most believable. If none take your fancy there are a number of N gauge suppliers that make 1930s British cars that could fit in. Make sure that they are N gauge (~1/150) rather than N scale (~1/160) which can look too small.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

Captain J Aubrey20 Mar 2012 3:05 p.m. PST

I've seen the Hispano Suiza but didn't think it suitable. However all of the others fit to a T!

I shall have a look at the Pithead site. Thanks for your help.

Fuebalashi Dakasonomichi31 Mar 2012 9:30 p.m. PST

Hi. Would 15mm be a better size to start collecting SCW, or is 20mm fine?

GrumpyOldMan01 Apr 2012 3:10 p.m. PST

Hi daffyd

If I was starting out I'd go for 20mm, lots of choices of manufacturers and access to 1/72 and 1/76 models for cheaper armour and aircraft. Still it depends on what you like, how much room you've got and what sort of scale (ie skirmish to divisional) you want to play. If you want to go cheaper Pendraken has a detailed and comprehensive SCW range in 10mm

Now that I've cleared that up :), have a look at link but bear in mind that it is a bit dated.

Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

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