Editor in Chief Bill | 19 Dec 2011 6:15 p.m. PST |
White Dwarf magazine wonders
Is the technology that drives the Nemesis Dreadknight a fragment of Mankind's lost knowledge, preserved through the Dark Age of Technology and the terrible times since? Or do its origins owe more to alien influence? Your opinion? |
Little Big Wars | 19 Dec 2011 6:46 p.m. PST |
It is a Chaos artifact brought into existence by Tzeentch to make Grey Knights look silly. |
justBill | 19 Dec 2011 10:05 p.m. PST |
alien influence
some kid in Nottingham doodled it up |
Scott Kursk | 19 Dec 2011 10:34 p.m. PST |
"Oi, Nigel, remember that 'incident' at the Christmas party? 'Ere's a snap of it
so I get to design a model now right?" That scenario would explain a LOT about the whole thing. |
Wolfprophet | 19 Dec 2011 11:18 p.m. PST |
They just needed an excuse to not have "Codex: Grey Knights" just be "Codex: Silver Space Marines that are now slightly more affordable than before, but still not worth buying." From a fluff perspective though, I'd guess alien origin
it seems that while it's difficult and slow, the Imperium has no qualms about actually researching alien artifacts if they can be brought back to Mars. |
Space Aardvark | 20 Dec 2011 4:01 a.m. PST |
I think I've missed this one! I can only guess that its covered in skulls and has weapons so big that it would fall over. I'll reserve judgment until I've googled the thing. |
Wolfprophet | 20 Dec 2011 5:54 a.m. PST |
Space Aardvark, the biggest flaw with the thing is the exposed operator. Second biggest is the blatant "It's a 40k'd up Powerloader from Aliens." and it does actually lack skullz as I recall. At least the Imperial guard like their guys enough to have walkers with mostly, or entirely enclosed pilot compartments. :) |
Klebert L Hall | 20 Dec 2011 7:27 a.m. PST |
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Thomas Whitten | 20 Dec 2011 7:28 a.m. PST |
Here is the blatant 40k'd up Powerloader from Aliens.
The drive is in Termy armor. In 40k that is almost as good as it gets. And yes, the dreadknight does look silly. |
kallman | 20 Dec 2011 8:33 a.m. PST |
Concur that the Dreadknight is almost as silly as the thing they used to have for the Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle that was oft times called a toilet on legs. Can't remember the name of it now (ironically I think the word throne was used) but it appears that when GW re-did the codexes and split the Grey Knights and Sisters away from each other that they ditched that model. They should do the same with the Dreadknight. To answer the original question and keeping with the fluff I suppose the ridiculous thing hearkens back to the time before/during the Emperor's original crusade. No doubt some military industrial complex had bought off enough important politicos that were responsible for military spending that the contraption was green lighted. Of course, once the Emperor saw this white elephant untold sinful amounts of money and resources had been poured into its creation; therefore, making it too expensive to not put into production at the risk of loosing much face; however, I would hope a few heads did roll. Enough were built and put into service to at least claim that citizen taxes had been well spent. I am sure that the poor Astartes that had to field test the damn thing had colorful nick names for the this bit of kit. |
Dr Mathias | 20 Dec 2011 8:59 a.m. PST |
The Dreadknight owes is existence to a fragment of mankind's lost knowledge indeed, a little 21st century mistake called 'The Matrix Revolutions'. |
Thomas Whitten | 20 Dec 2011 9:27 a.m. PST |
Oh, they still have the toilet on legs.
link At least as far as I am concerned. |
PygmaelionAgain | 20 Dec 2011 9:33 a.m. PST |
In just about every Grey Knights thread I've read through, someone (this time, myself) touts the 'fact' that the G.K. are very close to Terra. This allows them to benefit from a constant supply of the very best technology available from some form of munitorium. Mars? Is Mars still around? If you take a look at the DreadKnight, and compare it to the Dreadnaught armor, I'd say it is justifiably a less compact lower-tech device. Follow me on this one. Waaaaay back in the 35000's or so, whenever Dreadnaught armor was made, you were able to pour in a pulped, crushed space marine, and keep them alive enough to drive the machinery. Sure, they were probably insane, but it kept them on the battlefield. Now it's 40,000 +/- a few years
The technology to make dreadnaughts is lost. So some Adeptus mechanicus uses what they know about machinery to build a system that has a control system that wires into power armor (which is plentiful). There's no life support coffin, the mechanized portion of the suit is nowhere near as compact, and even though it does have some mighty fierce guns, it has to swing a great honking hammer/sword instead of just destroying things with a hydraulic gripper claw. Overall, even though it ~looks~ newer when compared to a dreadnaught, it doesn't have the ability to operate without a completely functional Space Marine in Terminator armor driving it around. Also, if a dreadnaught scores a kill and does a belly bump with a land raider
. no problem
DreadKnight? Yeah, cleanup on aisle 40,000 |
Dave Jackson | 20 Dec 2011 10:04 a.m. PST |
It's a power baby carrier
"I ATE A BABEH!"
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Wolfprophet | 20 Dec 2011 2:41 p.m. PST |
"Sure, they were probably insane, but it kept them on the battlefield." All the fluff I've found has pointed toward death and interment as having the nasty side-effect of senility. Just think of a dreadnought as dear old grandpa
.except now he can rend a tank in twain with his hands while telling you "Back in my day [Insert story you heard a thousand times in the last two hours]!" "The technology to make dreadnaughts is lost." I never got this to be honest. I know 40K is set in a technological dark age, but for God Emperah's sake. What the hell. There's hundreds of thousands of the damned things in existence. Surely, there's one without a marine in it. Send it off to Mars and have the Adeptus Mechanicanus study it carefully. Surely, there's rights they can perform that makes it okay to take the damned thing apart, study it and reverse engineer it without harming or upsetting the machine spirit. |
PygmaelionAgain | 20 Dec 2011 4:03 p.m. PST |
QUOTE: Just think of a dreadnought as dear old grandpa In the grim darkness of the future, get the HELL OFFA MY LAWN! |
Wolfprophet | 20 Dec 2011 7:54 p.m. PST |
Pygmaelion, your comment just made my day. In return, I present this.
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richarDISNEY | 21 Dec 2011 12:10 p.m. PST |
Magic? OOps. Wrong 'world'
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Given up for good | 22 Dec 2011 3:23 a.m. PST |
if they can be brought back to Mars Interesting thought sprang to mind here: Think Babylon 5 Imperium take artefact back Artefact goes mad (complete with sound effects of fingers pulled over chalk board) Mars destroyed Earth destroyed Aliens win End of 40K game
Like the model though |
Wolfprophet | 22 Dec 2011 3:33 a.m. PST |
You forget the other 700,000 or so colonies of man. ;) Would take a lot for anything to crack not one, but two planets too. And how could you stand Babylon 5? It was so awful
and I watched the whole series twice to give it a fair chance, but I can positively say I would rather be forced into buying a dreadknight than watch B5 a third time. |
Given up for good | 22 Dec 2011 6:19 a.m. PST |
You forget the other 700,000 or so colonies of man But could they survive without the Light of the Emperor? Myself – No idea been out of the game for many years but the whole 'back to Mars' linked in to B5. |