Editor in Chief Bill | 14 Dec 2011 11:52 a.m. PST |
What is your level of interest in playing a scenario based on the Bay of Pigs? From zero (no interest) to 10 (obsession). |
Lentulus | 14 Dec 2011 11:54 a.m. PST |
5 – I'd play if someone put it on. |
John the OFM | 14 Dec 2011 11:55 a.m. PST |
My traditional 5, as Lentulus said. |
mad monkey 1 | 14 Dec 2011 12:02 p.m. PST |
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Kaoschallenged | 14 Dec 2011 12:17 p.m. PST |
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epturner | 14 Dec 2011 12:31 p.m. PST |
5, as per the OFM and Lentulus. Eric |
John Leahy | 14 Dec 2011 12:41 p.m. PST |
If I have to get stuff together for it about a 1. If a group of us does it or someone else an 8. Thanks, John |
BrianW | 14 Dec 2011 12:59 p.m. PST |
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John the Greater | 14 Dec 2011 1:27 p.m. PST |
If someone else provides the figures, sets up the game and teaches me the rules – about 2. If they also provide the beer – about 5. |
combatpainter | 14 Dec 2011 1:32 p.m. PST |
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Altius | 14 Dec 2011 1:32 p.m. PST |
One of my wife's uncles* was a participant and spent 6 years in a Cuban prison because of it, so I'd be kind of interested. Plus, the situation seems very gameable. However, I think it would be a one-game deal, and I can't really see anyone building forces specifically for it. Actually, you could get several games from that, ranging from the actual amphibious landing itself to several skirmish-sized fights further inland. I would say maybe a 7. *Tough old bird, too, with an amazing life. Reminds me a lot of that guy in the Most Interesting Man in the World beer commercials. |
Louie N | 14 Dec 2011 1:59 p.m. PST |
For me this is a Zero, even though my wargame club nags me about at it at times because this is my heritage. The Osprey book is really well detailed account of the decisions leading too and the sequence of events during the battle. Unfortunately it just made me mad on how the bad choices just piled up; likely making it a doomed operation from the start. It can generate some very interesting wargmaes. The "Brigades" did hold out for three days. You had a paratroop operation and Walker Bulldogs vs. T-34s. There is some good material there. From my families prospective, as I am told it
One day the police came to the village. They took all the men and lock them in the jail for three days then they were released. It should indicate how much the CIA coordinated with elements within Cuba that no one knew what had happened. |
Patrick Sexton | 14 Dec 2011 2:01 p.m. PST |
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Sloppypainter | 14 Dec 2011 3:07 p.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 14 Dec 2011 3:47 p.m. PST |
My oldest uncle was there two days before (April 15), with the men he had trained in Florida, but was told to pull out. He never forgave his White House boss for that one. Dan PS. If anyone wants to read the "sanitized" version: foia.cia.gov/bay_of_pigs.asp |
Cacique Caribe | 14 Dec 2011 3:55 p.m. PST |
Altius, That's interesting. I always thought my Uncle (Mom's oldest brother) was "the most interesting man in the world". He was in Germany and Russia during WWII, then Cuba, Turkey, Central America, and other places he could not mention. His younger brother enlisted for Korea, then went to Lybia, West Africa, Angola/Namibia. It was fun to listen to them talk when they got together, specially when they thought no one was listening. Dan |
flooglestreet | 14 Dec 2011 4:13 p.m. PST |
6 for me. I was a little kid at the time and mention of it was rather mysterious. |
vojvoda | 14 Dec 2011 4:25 p.m. PST |
7,I would wargame it. They were heros who were sold down the river. I have never meet a veteran of the operation but if I did I would buy him a beer. Heros one and all. VR James Mattes |
Mako11 | 14 Dec 2011 7:05 p.m. PST |
5 Played it once, and it was fun. Would have been better if Kennedy had been a bit more helpful, but interesting nonetheless. |
John the OFM | 14 Dec 2011 7:17 p.m. PST |
Kennedy never approved of it. It was a holdover from the Eisenhower administration. He let it go forward in spite of his own misgivings, and then pulled the plug at the worst possible moment. It was gutless on his part to let it go forward at all if he didn't approve of it. |
Mako11 | 15 Dec 2011 2:52 a.m. PST |
Well, regardless, some thought they had his backing, and no doubt were rather shocked when it didn't play out as anticipated. |
Thomas Nissvik | 15 Dec 2011 3:55 a.m. PST |
6 as a general interest in history, 9 as a way of getting a friend of mine into wargaming. One day, I hope
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GeoffQRF | 15 Dec 2011 4:34 a.m. PST |
making it a doomed operation from the start A wargamer's dream scenario
can you do better? :-) |
dwight shrute | 15 Dec 2011 9:18 a.m. PST |
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Grizzlymc | 15 Dec 2011 9:27 a.m. PST |
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BW1959 | 15 Dec 2011 10:14 a.m. PST |
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Inkpaduta | 15 Dec 2011 11:18 a.m. PST |
John, I would disagree with you about Kennedy. That is part of the "Camelot" myths that Kennedy admirers started after his death. Kennedy was a Cold War warrior. He and Bob did like the idea of an invasion. When others in the administration were stressing caution, John and Bobby referred to them as whims. Later, he started to have misgivings about the operation but still approved the mission. |
Grand Duke Natokina | 15 Dec 2011 12:52 p.m. PST |
I am a little above the middle, maybe a 7. Back as an undergrad I did a paper on the subject. |
Major B | 15 Dec 2011 8:43 p.m. PST |
I have never been able to find a good order of battle for the BoP. I had hoped the that the Osprey book would have provided this information. |
Old Contemptibles | 15 Dec 2011 9:20 p.m. PST |
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Weasel | 15 Dec 2011 10:33 p.m. PST |
I'll play pretty much anything, and the "dirty wars" of the yanks are always good for some confused objectives and political backstabbing. Sounds like a good AK47 scenario. |
Kaoschallenged | 15 Dec 2011 11:56 p.m. PST |
This document has a couple of Appendixes that deal with the operation and it's failure. Appendix D Study of the Anti-Castro Invasion (Zapata), 11 May 1961 Pg 261 Appendix F Bitter Recriminations: The Navy CAP at the Bay of Pigs, 11 April 1961 Pg 274 PDF link foia.cia.gov/bay_of_pigs.asp |
Ironwolf | 16 Dec 2011 12:51 a.m. PST |
If I had to put it all together a 3. If someone else was putting it together and I assisted them a 6. If someone else did all the work and all I had to do was play and enjoy myself, a 9. |
Lion in the Stars | 16 Dec 2011 3:43 a.m. PST |
I thought that there was supposed to be air support for the landings? AK47 doesn't really do air very well. I would want to use FoF/CWGH or maybe Ambush Valley. Or have lots of fun and break out the FoW Moderns and Tropic Lightning. |
Martin Rapier | 16 Dec 2011 5:20 a.m. PST |
I'd certainly play it if someone else put it on but I wouldn't get the kit myself. |
Prince Rupert of the Rhine | 16 Dec 2011 7:50 a.m. PST |
I think if you were using AK-47 rules you couldn't do a straight re-fight. What you could do is take the situation make some suitable political charts and set the whole thing in some Caribbean imagi-nation with soviet backed defenders and US backed attackers. Would probably make for a fun (though not particulary historical) game. |
Saginaw | 16 Dec 2011 10:27 a.m. PST |
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