Sane Max | 06 Dec 2011 9:01 a.m. PST |
Alex Reed As some may have guessed, I am COMPLETELY Obsessed with Middle-Earth.One of the things that I have been trying to do is to complete a metaphysics and physics for Middle Earth that operates under the explicit truth of cartesian dualism. This has presented more than a few problems, but I may have just sorted out a lot of them by altering the basic fundamental particles of Physics in Ëa. This alteration also allowed me to discover a possible mechanism, at least the one I am going to use and apply to Eä, Arda and Middle-Earth (being Valinor, and Endor), for why and how technology becomes so tremendously difficult to develop and why it never seems to do so over the span of hundreds of thousands of years (at least Mechanized Technology). If we assume that there is an elementary particle (on the order of the lepton – I am calling it the Fëaton), that is free floating, yet attracted to other elementary particles (Bosons and Leptons, especially if they have been organized into either organic molecules (to which they are most strongly attached) or into an organized or structured arrangement (crystals and rocks). This amounts for pretty much everything, so everything will have a degree of Fëa. We know that living things are imbued with a Fëa, and that All Things in Ëa have some small measure of Fëa (however slight) in their makeup. The Fëatons also are affected by the emotional and mental states of the things they are around, and can CARRY emotional or mental states to other things nearby, especially if the emotional being carries a large number of strongly charged Fëatons, or the location itself has a large number from another person (for example: a Valar, or Maia. An instance could be Melian Hallowing a person, place or thing). These emotional states affect the +/- charge of the Fëaton, and its Spin (represented as a multiple-axes representing the various emotions: Happy/joyful, angry/fearful, gluttonous, slothful, grateful, carefree, loving, hateful, etc
). The spin of a Fëaton can influence the spin of other's nearby (thus, if two beings have conscious control of their Fëa, they can Put forth their power to contest with another. This contest deprives the loser of Fëa more-so than the winner of the contest) This is what allows for things like The One Ring, Magic Swords, the Palantíri, and magic/haunted trees. It is what gives some locations a Dark Feeling (spots in MIrkwood after the Necromancer inhabited Dol Guldur, )and what gives some locations a Healing Energy (for example, the wells of Ivrin, where Turin was healed once by drinking the waters). And it is what allows for things like when Luthien put forth her power at Sauron's tower on Tol Sirion, or when Galadriel and Sauron strove against each other when the Éorlings were making their ride to help Cirion, or when Galdalf Strove against Sauron when on the Seat of Hearing to help Frodo
Most of these things or places became so because some being put their own Fëa into these locales or object intentionally (or they Put forth their power). But we also have evidence of subconscious intention, or unintentional passage of Fëa into an object. Such as when an angry and fearful farmer plants a crop. This fear and anger can win up passed into his fields, and cause either the crops to fail, or the land itself to become angry and fearful. Thus, whenever anyone makes anything there is a passage of Fëatons into the object they are making. This can produce things like Blankets that are warmer and softer (or Elven Cloaks that keep you hidden – the maker's desire was to protect the wearer, which causes Fëatons to carry a certain charge and spin into the object being made, altering its Fëatons, and adding to them, which in turn act upon the molecular matter of the object), cakes that are sweeter and tastier (or drier and nasty tasting), swords that are sharper and harder to parry, armor that protects not just against cuts, but against the blows themselves. So
If you built a machine to make objects (mechanization), it would produce objects that carried far fewer Fëatons (since the original maker of the machine would be putting his own Fëatons into the machine, but being unintentional, and carrying fewer Fëatons, the machine would pass little of them into the things it was making), and thus the objects it make would be "Soulless". And if you have machines making other machines (as we do in modern society), then the objects created will work far less well than objects made by living beings. Swords would be duller, plows wouldn't break the earth as well, seeds wouldn't germinate as well (planted by a machine made planter), food wouldn't be as nourishing, and so on. This brings plain old Darwinian Evolution into the picture. Those who used NON-Machine made implements would be at an evolutionary advantage to those who didn't. While those who used machine made tools or products might be able to sustain (poorly) a larger population (think Orcs), this population itself would begin to be sucked dry of any Fëa (as they would be consuming their Fëa to make up for what wasn't being passed to them by the objects and food they used or consumed). This also presents a solution for the Dwarves. And for how the dwarves could make Mechanization work. They are the Children of Aulë, and as such, have an especial affinity for tools (but not necessarily machines. Dwarves pass far more of their own Fëa into anything they build (unintentionally) than other beings in Middle-Earth, due to their love of just making stuff. Thus they could produce a semi-mechanized society better than could other races in Middle-Earth (as the evolutionary mechanics work in their favor). Sorry for the long screed about this, but when the idea occurred to me, I needed to record it someplace so that I wouldn't forget it, and so that others could begin to examine it (Peer-Review). I hope that I am not the only Tolkien freak around these parts who is willing to examine the underlying physics and metaphysics. |
Sane Max | 06 Dec 2011 9:06 a.m. PST |
I have a bicycle, but I am increasingly convinced the wheels are not as round as they could be. I tried measuring them with a round thing, but then realised that for all I know the round thing was not as round as it might be. Does anyone have any suggestions of round things that are really, really round that I can use to set my mind at rest? Pat |
nickinsomerset | 06 Dec 2011 9:06 a.m. PST |
I suspect Alex has never kissed a girl! Tally Ho! |
streetline | 06 Dec 2011 9:07 a.m. PST |
Does anyone have any suggestions of round things that are really, really round that I can use to set my mind at rest? Wargamers? |
XRaysVision | 06 Dec 2011 9:09 a.m. PST |
So--if I understand the paper as presented. It is all about being full of Fëacle Matter. |
Grumpy Monkey | 06 Dec 2011 9:10 a.m. PST |
I think Alex is actually one of the hobbits from teh series Archer :) |
John the OFM | 06 Dec 2011 9:15 a.m. PST |
Sauron discovered the Higgs boson. I'm just sayin'
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Lentulus | 06 Dec 2011 9:15 a.m. PST |
Generating blather is as fine a hobby as any. Calling it science (which he does in other posts) is just silly. |
mjkerner | 06 Dec 2011 9:23 a.m. PST |
XRaysVision
right on the nose, Baby! |
Redcurrant | 06 Dec 2011 9:47 a.m. PST |
"Sane Max" – hmmm I wonder if that name is right. Personally I felt my eyes glaze over after the first couple of paragraphs – I enjoy Middle Earth tales for what they are – fantasy. To try to explain them in physco-babble is not, I believe, what Tolkein intended. |
21eRegt | 06 Dec 2011 9:49 a.m. PST |
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Martin Rapier | 06 Dec 2011 9:52 a.m. PST |
I thought it was quite an interesting idea, but as Redcurrent said, probably not really what JRR had in mind when he set about creating a nordic style mythic saga for the British and invented a couple of new languages along the way. |
highlandcatfrog | 06 Dec 2011 10:04 a.m. PST |
I think kyoteblue is Bored of the Rings. |
highlandcatfrog | 06 Dec 2011 10:26 a.m. PST |
I have a bicycle, but I am increasingly convinced the wheels are not as round as they could be. Sounds like a job for Bicycle Repairman. |
Connard Sage | 06 Dec 2011 10:34 a.m. PST |
I suspect Alex has never kissed a girl!Tally Ho! I suspect Alex has never tugged his . Despite his posts suggesting otherwise. |
javelin98 | 06 Dec 2011 11:31 a.m. PST |
So sad. So very, very sad. |
Timbo W | 06 Dec 2011 12:01 p.m. PST |
Does anyone have any suggestions of round things that are really, really round that I can use to set my mind at rest? Pie, I like pie |
Samulus | 06 Dec 2011 12:23 p.m. PST |
I'm not exactly sure what he's on about, nor do I really care, but I think taking the out of him for his eccentric and slightly anal preoccupations -as a bunch of self-confessed wargamers – is really rather rich. |
Lentulus | 06 Dec 2011 12:48 p.m. PST |
eccentric and slightly anal preoccupations Honestly, I don't much care about his "eccentric and slightly anal preoccupations." I do care if he represents it as "Science" not for his sake, but because some other person not actually exposed to science might think he is right. Just for the record, I do not pretend that my historical games are "history" or that my SF games are anything other than fiction. |
Chuckaroobob | 06 Dec 2011 1:55 p.m. PST |
Yo mamma so dumb she try to find Avagadro's number in the phone book. |
Samulus | 06 Dec 2011 2:40 p.m. PST |
Yeah, I think there's about as much science involved as in Star Wars. |
Feet up now | 06 Dec 2011 2:49 p.m. PST |
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Maddaz111 | 06 Dec 2011 2:53 p.m. PST |
midichlorian count is way too high! |
Maddaz111 | 06 Dec 2011 2:57 p.m. PST |
In reading Tolkien, I seem to think that most of the master smiths were elven, not dwarvish
so do they not invest more of this featonistic material, than dwarves into their products, so that kind of defeats most of the ramble? |
Connard Sage | 06 Dec 2011 2:57 p.m. PST |
I'm more a fan of the Mixolydian |
Fonthill Hoser | 06 Dec 2011 3:14 p.m. PST |
I want to make love to a Toilet Duck. |
skippy0001 | 06 Dec 2011 3:40 p.m. PST |
For rounding out roundabouts you need to bake a Pi. Feynman's Fairy Fhizzix debunks the Featon Uncertainty Principle of Middle Earth. there are more Strangelets in Heaven and Earth that are dreamt of in your imagination. |
Parzival | 06 Dec 2011 3:43 p.m. PST |
Longtime TMPers should recognize the initials JI. If you do, look up some of his old posts and compare. That's all I'm saying. |
Daffy Doug | 06 Dec 2011 5:15 p.m. PST |
I rode my bicycle past your window last night I roller skated to your door at daylight It almost seems like you're avoiding me I'm okay alone, but you got something I need
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flooglestreet | 06 Dec 2011 5:49 p.m. PST |
What does this have to do with beans? |
Farstar | 06 Dec 2011 6:27 p.m. PST |
Already spotted, Parzival. I've seen JI pop up elsewhere recently, too. |
John the OFM | 06 Dec 2011 7:37 p.m. PST |
Boy, he sure knows a load about quantum mechanics! |
Parzival | 06 Dec 2011 9:38 p.m. PST |
He has many names, but he's not that hard to spot. His very first post gives him away (and did to me in this case). But hey, as long as he behaves himself, he can be whomever he wants. |
Der Krieg Geist | 06 Dec 2011 10:15 p.m. PST |
You Mean JI a.k.a CC, oh brother
.. I should have know. Are you sure? |
Parzival | 06 Dec 2011 11:50 p.m. PST |
100% sure. Posts on the same sort of topics, using identical styles, language and assertions, and claims insider knowledge on the same esoteric subjects, with just enough jargon to appear knowledgeable
Until he goes over the top with claims that don't pass the smell test, though he usually concocts a second persona to offer "support" of his primary persona in the "discussion" (if one can call it that). This time around he's been much milder and less argumentative and dismissive of those who actually engage in debate with him, so maybe he's decided to be a responsible member of the TMP community-- but forewarned is forearmed. I suspect that for once he is actually using his real name
Either that, or he's borrowed the identity of a grad student at Berkely who has no idea someone is posing as him on a dedicated wargaming web site. Hard to say, as he's given a number of "real names" in the past. Addendum: He now claims to be a " cybernetics major" at UCLA. Which makes me suspect this is yet another bogus identity. |
Von Ewald | 07 Dec 2011 1:00 a.m. PST |
Cog Comp TMP link was JI's most recent TMP incarnation. Both Cog Comp and JI gave "Matthew Bailey" as a real name. In this thread: TMP link cog Comp/JI tells the board that: The reason I have been so deeply considering them is that several people I am in school with and working with (all AI/Computer Scientists and Computer Engineers) are trying to work out consistent laws of nature for a Virtual world modeled and created as described by JRRT for Middle Earth.We have managed to come up with spacial geometries that will allow for the world to be a relatively flat plane sitting within a sphere of elements, within which the stars, sun and moon circle the plane of Endor (Middle Earth), and we have come up with genetics that explain both Elven immortality and the longevity of the Edain (turns out that when bred for longevity, animals will express traits exactly how JRRT described them. The animals retain their vigor for up to five times a normal life span, and then begin to age/decay at a vastly accelerated rate. Often dying within a short time after infirmity sets in). We have even begun mapping Middle Earth using a program that the USGS uses to map the Earth, which keeps track of geological features, plate tectonics, weather, plant life, wildlife, etc
We just need to wait until we have the computational power to actually run such a detailed simulation (without people first). Eventually, our hope is to build a Virtual World where people may experience the events in the History of Middle Earth in a full immersion VR. And, thus, we need to work out things like Orcs, Balrogs, Trolls, Giants (of which the Ents were just one type) and Dragons to name but a few critters. and It will probably be up to me to see to it that Melkor is REALLY included, as most of the rest of them don't really have a nasty bone in their body, nor have they had the experience of say, going to Afghanistan during the Cold War to 'assist' the nascent Mujaheddin in that country only to find out that they are helping monsters, but help anyway, because that is what you were told to do (sort of stuff) only to discover that you "allies" are cutting the faces off of anyone they disagree with, including their own family
That sort of stuff
So, eventually, we are all going to have to designate a "Melkor" team. Manwë is already a team comprised of a few of us, and we are really looking for more women to get involved. It isn't that we don't think we can manifest traits of the female Valar via an appropriate AI (eventually), but that we think that all of the Valar and ME itself, needs to have a better representation of the female aspect from real women, instead of a bunch of male scientists, artists and engineers. Farstar, the questions that you have asked are exactly what we are looking at finding answers for, and means of explaining via a naturalistic method (although, since our world is literally a creation, we as "God" really can intervene in the functioning of the world), so that intervention by the Godlike 'Powers' (Valar) is not necessary for the world to run on its own. Alex Reed first appeared on TMP this summer, and immediately started into the same sort of thing. Throughout his posts, he states that "his Roommate" introduced him to gaming, and has mentioned that this roommate's name is Matthew. He has mentioned that this "Matthew" is very familiar – and very angry – with TMP. Now, Cog Comp's account was locked somewhere on or about 14 September 2010. That is the date of his last post, according to his profile. However, Cog Comp's last visit to TMP was on 14 April 2011. Alex Reed's first visit to TMP was on 15 April 2011. Clearly, Alex Reed considers that we (the membership of TMP) are too stupid to understand his "science of Middle-Earth magical particles". Doubtless he also considers that we are too stupid to click a few icons and draw a few conclusions based on the data available to us. In any case, I have the following response to the question that Alex is most likely to ever actually get to ask most of us: "Yes, Alex – I'd like fries with that. Thanks." |
Sane Max | 07 Dec 2011 3:41 a.m. PST |
I never liked the man, but was not there for his Banning – what were Judas Iscariot and Cog Comp banned for? Pat |
Von Ewald | 07 Dec 2011 3:52 a.m. PST |
JI – advocating piracy and generally being a (word that rhymes with 'stunt') Cog Comp – sneaking back in after being banned/locked /whatever you call it. Edit: I knew I forgot something. TMP link |
Lego Warrior | 07 Dec 2011 5:14 a.m. PST |
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streetline | 07 Dec 2011 8:00 a.m. PST |
Advocating was too mild a word. Proudly encouraging the piracy of all and sundry. Middle Earth is welcome to him. |
Connard Sage | 07 Dec 2011 9:26 a.m. PST |
Addendum: He now claims to be a " cybernetics major" at UCLA. Which makes me suspect this is yet another bogus identity. Actually he claims to be a 'cybernetic's major'. Which is obviously betterer than a plain old cybernetics major. It could also explain why he We have managed to come up with spacial geometries that will allow for the world to be a relatively flat plane sitting within a sphere of elements, within which the stars, sun and moon circle the plane of Endor (Middle Earth), can't spell 'spatial'. Standards are really slipping at Berkeley. |
Von Ewald | 07 Dec 2011 9:35 a.m. PST |
NonononononononononononoNONONO!!!!! The "spacial geometries" aren't "spatial geometries", you donkey, they're namedroppingly-topsecret-extra-super-duper-can't-really-talk-about-it-due-to-an-NDA-but-you-bet-your-ass-I'm-gonna-totally-mention-it-anyway-onna-wargaming-forum-special geometries what are applicable to Alex and nobody else (except maybe J.R.R. Tolkien and this guy he kidnapped out the back of a McDonald's). But you're just a big sillyhead, CS, and too uncool and unhelpful to get that. You'll be like, totally my bitch when the Singularity comes. Vauxhall Cavalier. Beep. VonE. |
Connard Sage | 07 Dec 2011 10:16 a.m. PST |
Well, that's me told. I feel so stupid now. Ford Focus *honk* |
Von Ewald | 07 Dec 2011 10:25 a.m. PST |
You're welcome. Opel Astra. VonE. |
valerio | 07 Dec 2011 11:03 a.m. PST |
did you guys actually read the whole post?!? |
Omemin | 07 Dec 2011 12:01 p.m. PST |
Why would anyone do that on this board? |
Mocaiv | 07 Dec 2011 12:58 p.m. PST |
Lost me at "cartesian dualism" |
billthecat | 07 Dec 2011 1:23 p.m. PST |
I have to say that I have excercised a great deal of self control in not responding to many of "Alex Reed's" recent posts . Now that I have been informed of the JI similarities, I am glad that I have not wasted my time in attempting a rational discussion. I still find it amazing that he believes anyone here buys his special brand of mock-science-misosophy
I feel sorry for the fellow, but can't help also feeling a bit disgusted at the fact there are probably many people 'out there' who might think he makes sense on some level. I would laugh, but it really isn't funny
his ideas about science, morality, reality, and humanity, are (sadly) not his own. |
korsun0 | 07 Dec 2011 9:11 p.m. PST |
Read the whole thing and came to the conclusion that puppy is smoking some good
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TheCount | 08 Dec 2011 6:05 a.m. PST |
A rare variety of Longbottom Leaf probably. |