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maciek7229 Nov 2011 5:32 a.m. PST

I'm looking for the information about numbers of troops in British Guards regiments in Flanders in 1708 and 1709.
Any help appreciated.

Unlucky General29 Nov 2011 12:30 p.m. PST

Maciek,

At first glance I only appear to have details for the First Foot Guards in 1702 which had only one battalion of 14 companies – 13 line companies of 84 officers, NCOs and men and an over-sized grenadier company of 1,176 all ranks.

I don't know if you are going to find specific numbers but I always apply some percentyage loss when representing scaled numbers on campaign to represent wastage through illness, injury and desertion.

Hope this helps.

Graf Bretlach01 Dec 2011 3:53 p.m. PST

The British guards were organised by companies at home (London), in 1708 we have –

1st guards 16 coy in Flanders, 12 at home
2nd guards 4 Flanders 10 home
In Flanders they were organised into 2 battalions brigaded under Charles Gorsuch 1st btn (11 coy from the 1st G)2nd btn (5 coy 1st G and 4 coy 2nd G)

the combined btn (9 coy)at York before moving to Flanders was -
1st Guards, 5 capts, 5lt, 5 ens, 13 serg, 16 corp, 10 drum, 364 privs
2nd guards 4 cap, 4 lt, 4 ens, 13 serg, 13 corp, 9 drum, 300 privs

In Flanders it was 9 caps, 11 lt, 8 ens, adj, surg, 30 serg, 30 corp, 20 drum, 620 privs under lt-col Andrew Wheeler

both btns seemed to have around 600 men each for most of the war. (the establishment was 50 per coy at home and 70 per coy in service abroad)

The original combined btn was lost in Spain 1707 (Almanza)the companies being re-raised at home.

The original Flanders btn was always of 1st guards companies and present throughout the war.

1709 numbers similar – the combined btn lost 7 officers at Malplaquet.

1711 numbers in Flanders were 12 coy of 1G and 6 coy of 2G
under Brigadier Henry Moryson (Gorsuch died of wounds dec 24 1708)

The original Flanders btn (under Gorsuch)had 13 companies but 2 were disolved 1705 into the other 11 and the companies re-raised at home.

quite a complex history to unravel.

maciek7202 Dec 2011 2:49 a.m. PST

Thanks Graf Bretlach !
Do you have such info for period 1703-1706 (1st Guards only) ?

Graf Bretlach02 Dec 2011 12:44 p.m. PST

Not to hand, when I made my notes I was studying Audenarde and Malplaquet.

I'll have a look for you

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