"Defiance Games Plastic SF Marines Up for Order" Topic

Okay guys. You got me. I'm a sock puppet.

I'll just call my mom and dad and tell them now that I never existed and, 31.5 years ago when I was born in a hospital in Houston it was all a figment of their imagination, along with the last three decades.

I'm sure they'll understand once they get over the initial shock . . .

But, while we're airing the dirty laundry, I have to confess that I, Tony Reidy, invented Matrakishi as well. His entire life history, all of his work, his internet presence, everything: all part of an elaborate plot set up years ago so that I could steal peoples' money today. His hostility is part of my plan to make myself seem like the victim so I can garner more sympathy points.

Good work on spooking me out guys. You deserve a cookie!

And that was apropos of what exactly?

It's only you that's trying to make yourself look like a victim. There's no hostility, nobody hates you and you came and posted here quite freely and started slinging the all by yourself.
You've contributed nothing, other than parroting press releases we've already seen, and adding unfounded accusations of 'hatred' and 'vitriol' against me and others.

You're not a Defiance insider, you're just a groupie who wants to join in like Leland. At least his ramblings are funny, yours are just sad and a little bit nasty, in an impotent internet way. But, don't worry, they aren't enough to make me hate you.

You could take your persecution complex away with you along with your dreams of being part of the great Defiance Empire and come back when they, or you, have produced some figures.
Any figures will do so long as they're real and not the over-hyped vapour ware they've remorselessly bombarded everyone with up until now.

Alternatively stick around and act like the adult you claim to be and maybe there'd be a discussion containing the answers people were after in the first place before you came along and attempted to muddy the waters.

Still no Marines I see…

Richard, I don't think you are a sock puppet.

That doesn't change the fact that Tony was previously banned from TMP for sock puppeting or that he has been caught doing it elsewhere on the net.

It doesn't help you, however, that you came to TMP with what seems to be the goal of towing the DG line, introducing yourself as an "insider" who pretty much parrots Tony's words and seems ignorant of all the goings on with Tony's previous company.

All this ill-will is self-generated by Tony and it would be best for his company to just make the models and sell them, in that order.
Criticisms would die down, then.

I know this won't be much help, but I really hate (!!!) to see so many respectable TMPers arguing like this over a particular company's operation… at the end of day, each of us is entitled to having faith in Defiance Games or not. I don't have enough to order products based on their word (given their shameful track record or not-- I am not that trusting) but others may believe as they wish as this will not alter the reality of the thing either way.
…Can't we all get along…?

No? Okay… so when can I get my marines and bugs?

(still waiting for straight answer… expecting not to get one… but hoping for the best.)

So much seems to be made, perhaps rightly, of the ridiculous delays and amusingly bad excuses that everyone seems to have forgotten the most important thing…

The only mini actually seen so far is a 3d print, so pretty much guaranteed to be better quality than the final product and it's rubbish. Just not good.

Should these actually see the light of day there's going to be so much 'Ha haa! we told you they'd be made!' and 'yeah, 4 months late!' back and forth that the fact that a lot of people now own vaguely marine shaped blobs that they paid for 4 months ago will be like a piece of sweetcorn in a bucket of faeces.

"Leland, if that is the case, then it is more courteous to address users by their screen name than to place that name in quotations. But I recall having another exchange with you some years ago where you brought up the anonymity thing and this is a non-issue. Honestly, anyone can call themselves anything on the internet and even claim to have a 'real name' that's completely false. I've run into that before. Call people what they want to be called here. That's all."

I believe I made exactly that same point, profirio rubirosa, however I suppose my invoking an old African proverb perhaps shot right past you, it being too poetic perhaps?

My apologies.

Leland R. Erickson

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Looks like you're trying to keep too many balls in the air at the same time in this thread, "BlackWidowPilot," as you've missed the context of our exchange. You've more than once played Clarence Darrow in this thread, bringing up burdens of proof, but then, when it happens to support your apparent needs, you took on face value (literally) the posting of a human face as proof that the poster was not Tony.

Leland R. Erickson. You may call me Leland, you may call me Mr. Erickson, you may call me sir, profirio rubirosa. Don't worry, your head won't explode being civil.

No, I was not contending that the singular posting of a human face was proof positive of any such thing. Are you sure I'm the one playing Darrow in INHERIT THE WIND here?

And just to reinforce what I wrote before, anyone who would assert there is a "burden of proof" in an internet forum debate immediately loses on general principle. grin "As if it matters" indeed.

So for you the internet negates any and all rules of debate, burden of proof, empirical evidence, et al? Please cite the source for that Ultimate Rule of the Internet that trumps all other sources of reasoned debate including among other things The Scientific Method, as I would be fascinated to learn who among other things who appointed themselves Almighty God and decreed such utter nonsense was holy writ.

I do find your apparent need to support Defiance to be rather poignant, however. Do carry on, the pathos of it all is quite touching. Most of us though can't help but have our opinions coloured by years of shenanigans and disappointed customer experiences. Is the cherished potential, that new toys will be made, really that important?

Is your well demonstrated relentless drive to denigrate their efforts really all that important? Or is it your need to hide behind a screen name and "prove" yourself the intellectual "better" of others?

Really, Matakishi's comment about your being argumentative for the sake of it -- presumably out of bordeom? -- seems to have been proven here.

"Proven?" How, precisely? By your opinion it has been so proven?

First you assert that the burden of proof is on the accuser, and when you're proven wrong on that, without skipping a beat you happily jump to the next line of argument, that it's apples and bowling balls.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to be the bedrock principle of American jurisprudence. Am I wrong in that understanding of the whole idea? The internet trumps that principle because *you* say so?

Ye stars and little comets, you, sir, are hilarious!

Leland R. Erickson

You're not a Defiance insider, you're just a groupie who wants to join in like Leland. At least his ramblings are funny, yours are just sad and a little bit nasty, in an impotent internet way. But, don't worry, they aren't enough to make me hate you.

Matakishi,

so now I'm a "groupie" because I'm not willing to join the Defiance Games/Tony Reidy lynch mob. And now you accuse another of being nasty.

What splendid irony, Matakishi.

Edit: So just precisely what is your dog in this fight, Matakishi, that you feel so compelled to let loose on Tony Reidy and Defiance Games and anyone who wishes them well? As I stated before until now I hadn't encountered this side of you here on TMP, and it is not a pretty sight.

Enlighten me, and take your time (speak slowly), as I have been demonstrated as being desperately slow-witted by my intellectual betters on this thread…

Leland R. Erickson

Richard, I don't think you are a sock puppet.

That doesn't change the fact that Tony was previously banned from TMP for sock puppeting or that he has been caught doing it elsewhere on the net.

It doesn't help you, however, that you came to TMP with what seems to be the goal of towing the DG line, introducing yourself as an "insider" who pretty much parrots Tony's words and seems ignorant of all the goings on with Tony's previous company.

All this ill-will is self-generated by Tony and it would be best for his company to just make the models and sell them, in that order.
Criticisms would die down, then.

WHO ARE YOU, AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CEASAR?!! Send him out unharmed immediately, or we're sending in the Marines!!!

Leland R. Erickson

Well if you plan to wait for the Defiance Marines, you might be waiting some time!

That's why I didn't specify, just to be sure! I mean, really, General, can't you see a man's life is at stake here?!

Leland R. Erickson

"I believe I made exactly that same point, profirio rubirosa, however I suppose my invoking an old African proverb perhaps shot right past you, it being too poetic perhaps? "

Please, address me as Caesar, not someone else.
Too poetic? Perhaps, if you weren't the one making such a point of it in the first place, we wouldn't be discussing it now.

"WHO ARE YOU, AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CEASAR?!!"

At which point did I accuse Richard of being a sock puppet?
I think you are getting confused, tackling so many different posts at the same time.

So I figure there's this picture people keep pointing at showing that the Marines are stock, so I did a picture of my own.

English, motherer! Can you read it?

Except "Pre-order! estimated to ship in March" was only added this morning :)

Do you have proof of that?

I was actually checking wayback to see what the website looked like last month and found nothing. It's actually kinda annoying. The only picture posted above omits the entire text of the page.

Edit: I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious because *I* remember seeing pre-order, but memory is faulty, and the Wayback Marine and Google Cache aren't helping.

Please, address me as Caesar, not someone else.
Too poetic? Perhaps, if you weren't the one making such a point of it in the first place, we wouldn't be discussing it now.

My apologies, *Caesar.* I'm out of practice with interacting simultaneously with multiple sources of British prose… I must try to get out more often and keep practicing that whole walking on water trick…

At which point did I accuse Richard of being a sock puppet?

Oh, dear God, we truly are two people separated by a common language…

No, you didn't. What you did was you acknowledged he's a real person rather than a sock puppet for The Dread Miniatures Pirate Tony Reidy. It is on that basis that I accuse you, Caesar, of being rational and civil all of a sudden in this thread, and why I was concerned for your continued safety.

I am relieved to discover that you are unharmed, as we are both old Macross fans IIRC, and I wish no misfortune for any of our kind!

Now, where were we? Oh, yes, we were discussing whether or not it was going to be swords or pistols…

Leland R. Erickson

English, motherBleeped texter! Can you read it?
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thats a bit naughty – and is it seriously being claimed that that was there all the time and the many English speakers here missed it. Someone I imagine has got a screen print/cached memory of the original ad

Ah, okay, to keep up with nitpicking, I did a google-search for the actual link to the Marine order page, then selected "cache." The earliest cache was for 3/4, two days ago, and one day before I e-mailed Tony (which I did yesterday morning). And this is what I got:

Direct link:
link

Oh, and my original picture (which I just moved to a different folder):

Edit: I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious because *I* remember seeing pre-order, but memory is faulty, and the Wayback Marine and Google Cache aren't helping.

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it said 'pre-order' I believe – its the bit about March that has been added (in March)

Oh, dear God, we truly are two people separated by a common language

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yes – well, it does seem like this is a US v UK issue – or at least to some – we Brits of course are in truth of course not out to have a go at anyone who dares challenge British control of the hard plastics market – people would make the same points regardless of who it was

On March 1st it said they ship late Feb.

Several weeks ago that was not there, but the In Stock sure as heck was. Add the huge The Few The Proud ARE HERE!!! text and frankly, the page is misleading.

Heck read the text of the opening post of this thread (made by Tony in Nov).

We just wanted to let everyone know that our very first 28mm (1/56 scale) hard plastic set – USMC Infantry – for our Alien War range is now available to purchase!

Perhaps you care to bold the portion there that says Pre-Order for me? Oh wait. You can't. Because it doesn't.

Gotta keep pushing back those goal posts.

I pointed out the goal posts.

Perhaps you can indicate what I typed is inaccurate?

Oh, Leland, I am rational and civil more often than not. I hardly think your posts here prove you to be one who should be making insinuations to the alternative.

Tony made his bed and has to sleep in it.

"I pointed out the goal posts.

Perhaps you can indicate what I typed is inaccurate?"

The part where clicking on the link to buy takes you to a page stating that the product is available for pre-order. Not purchase, but pre-order

So, when the OP states

We just wanted to let everyone know that our very first 28mm (1/56 scale) hard plastic set – USMC Infantry – for our Alien War range is now available to purchase!

And when the Defiance home page states in BIG letters The Few The Proud ARE HERE

And the website previously just stated In Stock, then stated In Stock but Ships Late Feb and now states some other date but still lists them as In Stock, perhaps it is Defiance that is moving goal posts?

No, couldn't be.

Oh, Leland, I am rational and civil more often than not. I hardly think your posts here prove you to be one who should be making insinuations to the alternative.

I'm speaking directly to your tone on this thread, which contradicts my past experiences with you by a wide margin, hence my observing same. As for my own conduct on TMP, it's pretty much a matter of public record, for good or ill.

I think so far I've managed to stay between the lines The Editor has set down for us all to play in his sandbox.

Indeed Tony has done as he has done, and others have judged him, some fairly, others less so, and a number have been doing so far less than fairly from the very first time he had the cast iron gall to step up and say, Hello, My name is Tony Reidy, I've started a company called Wargames Factory, and we're going to make plastic figures for wargamers."

Cheers.

Leland R. Erickson

CPT Jake,

What part of "Pre-Order" don't you understand.

I mean, is your brain mentally editing that part out? That can happen, you know. It's one of the more disturbing cognitive tricks peoples' minds play on them (for the record, I'm finishing up a degree in psych).

So is it just that you are obsessing on one part of the month's old announcement, or are you failing to notice the statement "Pre-Order" or the continual announcements on the DG site and Facebook that the Marines are available for Pre-Order with a release date of X, which keeps getting moved back because of delays?

Or, more simply: What part of Pre-Order don't you understand?

And yes, I know it's not in the OP, but there has never been a point in the last few months where Defiance Games or anyone representing Defiance Games (which technically includes me, now, since I volunteered for this particular job) has ever insinuated once that the Marines were actually available RIGHT NOW as opposed to being able for pre-order?

Click on the link, follow it, go to the order page, note that it says "These are available for pre-order." I'm pretty damned sure that only the date part of that sentence has ever changed, and Defiance has posted newspost-after-newsport acknowledging and talking about the delays.

It's not a secret. It's not something they've been surreptitiously hiding. The Marines have been delayed for nearly two months now. This is a fact, an acknowledged fact that no one worth talking to has ever tried to hide, yet you and a couple of others having been throwing temper tantrums acting otherwise. Hell, I just skimmed through 70 pages of that over on Frothers (along with a whole lot of that vitriol and hostility I commented on, along with some good-ol'-fashioned -taking, of course).

Plus, these bizarre statements about vaporware and Defiance ripping people off despite literally MONTHS of renders, mold tests, 3D prints, status updates, and now pictures of the FINISHED MOLD. I fully expect that Defiance Games will actually ship the product and people will be handling with their own two hands, gluing together Marines and Bugs, and there will still be people insisting that its vaporware. Hell, it happened with the Shock Troopers, which is why I took that picture of me holding a sprue a couple years back, just to show people that, yes, they exist, and yes, I got my order. I'm going to do the same for the Marines and all.

Despite all of the evidence to the contrary, you guys not only continue to insist that Defiance Games is ripping everyone off, but all of you guys have been crawling all over ever minis site I've come across shouting such very vocally. It's the reason I started posting in this threads: to try and counter some of this.

Are you, Matakishi, Sane Max, and a few other extremely vocal types I keep running into in any thread about Defiance Games living in some kind of fantasy world? It sure seems so. I'm strongly started to suspect that I've been talking with insane people. This is why I keep asking what your stake is? Why are you guys so vocal and going all over the place to make it known how EBUL Tony the Bobbleheaded Jesus and all his kool-aid drinking fanatics are?

I mean, I know it's because you think you're having fun and taking the , but from the other side it's actually kinda pathetic.

Cue posts about me drinking the kool-aid, being a fanatic, delusion, etc, etc, etc.

I still can't workout why everyone is just fixated on the 'will they arrive or not' part.

They aren't 'good' in any way shape or form.

They're kinda cheap so I suppose that's a bonus but then again rocks are free. Just glue some pebbles to bases and draw a gun on them? They're free, wouldn't be 4 month's late and would probably place about the same ranking in 'available marine miniatures' as these will.

For the record I believe they will be made. Then there will be the undoubted crowing of people shouting 'told you so' to put up with and ignoring the fact that what finally turned up was just softly detailed junk.

"Are you, Matakishi, Sane Max, and a few other extremely vocal types I keep running into in any thread about Defiance Games…"

Where have you run into me Richard? Where do I keep posting about defiance Games? I posted my thoughts once, in a single post on LAF, and then came here to watch the news. I began posting here because I was singled out on your facebook page and here for your 'special' treatment, hatred and vitriol remember.

One post by me in a year of Defiance Games and you exaggerate it like you have above so you can claim to be a victim for the peanut gallery.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, missing the truth, exaggerating, lying and ignoring anything that might resemble a fact are Defiance trademarks aren't they, carried over form the disastrous Wargames Factory.

You, on the other hand, appear on a lot of Defiance threads claiming to be an 'insider' and stirring the pot by repeating the press releases verbatim because, as we all know, saying something lots makes it true.

Your arguments have no weight, it's the months of renders and non-event 'updates' (like the most recent) that have got people wondering when the noise will stop and some figures will appear, any figures, even one that will actually show there's something behind all the incessant noise.

as this is TMP I cannot say what I wish, but Richard you are acting like an arseclown. defend all you want, twist things all you want to defend your ***** Tony or whatever he is to you, but give it a rest on trying to pretend what has been and gone and seen was all a big group illusion we all shared at once. Of course, you'll now argue this too and show some more screenshots and tell us we're all wrong and it always said available to pre-order from the word go. Perhaps you are blinkered by having your tongue right up Tony's ****?

PS – not sure if you can count Richard, but it's over 3 months delay – all of December, Jan and Feb, but hey, don't let us stop you proving us all wrong about any of this. Thanks for the pics of the webstore where conveniently there are no screengrabs from November when the Marins were 'launched'. this is becomming the WF farce all over again, and there is only one common denominator….

sigh. Richard,

I do not know if I am mis-remembering, but when Tony got sacked from Wargames Factory, I didn't recall anyone not getting their stuff, or being left out of pocket – and honestly I don't expect it will happen this time. I am not one of the people suggesting he is some sort of Ponzi .

What I DO expect from Tony Reidy is;

1) massively over-hyped announcement of his new line.
2) Detailed CG Render showing excellent quality & detail.
3) Promise of availability that he cannot possibly meet.
4) Excuses.
5) More Excuses.
6) TADA! Painted figure that turns out to be a 3D prototype and is nowhere near as good as the CG Render.
7) Sock-Puppetry.
8) More Excuses, blaming other people.
9) TADA! The product – an ugly, blobby piece of that looks nothing like the CG and is worse even than the 3d prototype.
10) Angry denials that they are crap by fans.

We are up to 8, and with nobs on. I do not hate Tony Reidy, I do not hate Wargames Factory, I do not hate Defiance Games. Why should I ? They are never likely to get any of my money, why should I be angry? I am just LAUGHING at his ridiculous business practices.

Round my way, Tony Reidy is a laughing stock, nothing more or less. All he needs to do now is Announce;

11) The Defiance Games Suggestarama! If enough people promise to order them, we will make them.

Pat

ahhh, +1 to sane max for summing up this mess in a perfect cliff note
and +3 to alien bloody surfer for the disturbing visual

Hey Tony, what are the bugs made of? I saw the pics on your Facebook, but you've not said if they're "hard plastic" i.e. HIPS or if they're something else?

Also Richard……..

Screen grabs from my iPhone today.

"Indeed Tony has done as he has done, and others have judged him, some fairly, others less so, and a number have been doing so far less than fairly from the very first time he had the cast iron gall to step up and say, Hello, My name is Tony Reidy, I've started a company called Wargames Factory, and we're going to make plastic figures for wargamers.""

The latter case not being me.
Tony brought the drama to us, remember? He made me take particular notice of the poor business practices he performed with WF when he lost his job, a company I was alternately positive or neutral towards. He then started DG and the same lousy business practices.
I do not like companies in our niche market that play games with their customers and their money. It's just that simple.
I love this hobby, I don't even know why. But I do. I think a company that does right by its customers, which we are fortunate to have so many of, deserves support.
Companies that I do not think are doing so will see me post about it here.

"Hey Tony, what are the bugs made of? I saw the pics on your Facebook, but you've not said if they're "hard plastic" i.e. HIPS or if they're something else?"

I'm pretty sure Tony isn't reading this thread, so I'll field this:

It's basically another type of "plastic resin" that will be spincast. There's actually many different formulations of the stuff, with High-Impact Polystyrene being the standard for GW, WF, and most other plastic companies. It should, theoretically, work like plastic, but I'll have to get my hands on some and let you know.

I should be getting a sample soon and I full instead the destroy the pieces -- snipping, carving, etc -- and document the entire process. Glue tests, too, to see if plastic glue and superglue work on the stuff.

Edit before the crazy people show up:

I should clarify that "plastic" and "resin" are synonymous. In the miniatures world they are used to refer to specific materials, but in actual materials science you refer to the type of plastic you are using. If you like, I can find out exactly what type it is, though at this point it's probably "Trade Secret."

As a side note, I spent 2.5 hours synthesizing polymers (a.k.a. plastic) in Chem Class yesterday. It was quite fun!).

"there has never been a point in the last few months where Defiance Games or anyone representing Defiance Games (which technically includes me, now, since I volunteered for this particular job) has ever insinuated once that the Marines were actually available RIGHT NOW as opposed to being able for pre-order?"

Except in the opening post of this thread, in big bloody letters with OMG!!!11 exclamation marks too.

"these bizarre statements about vaporware and Defiance ripping people off despite literally MONTHS of renders, mold tests, 3D prints, status updates, and now pictures of the FINISHED MOLD."

MONTHS (your emphasis) is the elephant in the room which you fail to see as a problem. MONTHS since the marines were advertised as being available and people were asked to part with money. You think these MONTHS are a good thing?

FINISHED MOLD (your emphasis again) MONTHS (my emphasis this time) after the Marines were advertised as available and people were asked to part with money, a mold is FINALLY available (but not yet in use), and you think that's not a problem?

And the best bit: It's somehow everybody else's fault and wouldn't have happened if we'd all just left it alone and let Tony post his inaccurate 'news' unchallenged.

Hahaha (that's me laughing at the absolute slap-head incompetence you're displaying in your self-appointed Defiance Games PR role)

"I'm pretty sure Tony isn't reading this thread"
I'm pretty sure he is.

Jesus wept!
So they're not what was advertised……what a surprise.

Also what have you got to say to my screen grabs? Kinda, sorta, reeeeeally reads like false advertising eh?
NOW AVAILABLE! ORDER NOW!

"This is turning into a bigger mess than the WF disaster and the company hasn't even started trading yet"

Tempest in a teacup, basically. A toy company misses a ship date and a group of trolls decide that

Mr. May,

If you would kindly do an experiment for me:

1) Go to the Defiance Games website, Defiancegames.com.
2) Once there, click on the "store" icon.
3) Once the page has loaded, click the big "Marines! Order Now!" picture, then select any of the three order options.
4) Kindly relay the information presented on that page (all of it -- a simple copy and paste will do).
5) Post a screen cap of the entire page.

Thank you, sir, for your participation in this experiment.

Sorry Richard I got lost on the main page, you see I wanted to look at the news… there's a section called "news" but it only contains fiction…..the "fiction" section has some kid's English assignments in?!?

When I clicked on the "store" there was nothing to buy, there's no actual rules in the "alien suns" part…by the time I'd looked that far I was so confused I closed the page.

I must applaud Richard for his efforts – especially as when he first started he was adament he was nothing to do with Defiance Games, and now he's doing all the PR work – and no better than Tony, it's almost as if he has a script to work from….

Some simple points Richard. No-one has said they hate Tony or Defiance games. Most people would be happy to see more multi-part good quality plastics available. the problems are;

1/ Tony's track record – not the buy out mess of WF, but the hype, the poor quality products, the chopping and changing.

2/ He's making the same mistakes again, and until you took over, has been giving the same spin. If he had just said earlier ' we've hit a problem, the marines are not available, we are taking pre-orders, but we are unsure when the problems will be sorted, so it is up to you if wish to order now. Of course, people should be able to make the order, maybe with a small deposit and NOT have the money taken from them UNTIL THE PRODUCT is ready. I think lots of companies work like that or have done so – successfully.

3/ the stuff shown is not finished product, anyone in the industry, or even your average wargamer can see that. what has been shown looks crap anyway which doesn't help.

4/ The blathering on about how awesome it will be, coupled with new products, news that isn't news – it gets tedious and people now find it amusing – especially as it's all been seen before.

Hopefully, at some stage, we will see some products for sale, and if we're really lucky, they won't be complete crap, but given every release I saw from WF was awful I am not holding out much hope.

Perhaps stop trying to defend this mess, and you, Tony and Defiance games just shut up about it all until you have something to back it up – then maybe people won't chuck so much 'vitriol' in the direction of you, DG and Tony. Just an idea.
Look at how other companies announce stuff – even if they announce it advance, they back it up pretty damn quickly after that with the product, or, you tell someone something is for sale WHEN IT IS.

Keep the other stuff, the gushing platitudes etc for the facebook page where those who refuse to believe anything other than Tony's word as being gospel can all have a group love in where the rest of us don't have to subjected to it.

Feel free to think I am just throwing more vitriol around, I'm not. I am now just finding this more and more amusing each day, it's like an amazing slow motion train-wreck coupled with the world's worst soap opera. I just hope Howard isn't caught up this time.

You know I stopped reading this thread about a month ago, came back into it tonight and instantly regretted it :(

All I can say is that – despite what a lot of people seem to think about how cool it is to have a "nom de internet" – many of the intollerances and much of the harsh language would be avoided if we all used our real names.

Most decent people, I have discovered, when they have to put their own name to some thoughts, get to 'own' them a bit more and are just a little more civil (and people can turn up at Salute and punch me on the nose 'coz they know who I am and where I'll be once a year so that's another good reason for me to watch what I say ).

I just wish people would do that – use their real names – on their forum posts as I think it would help. It might make people think twice about being so vocal. And nasty.

Tony, Defiance Games and plastic marines? Aww: who cares, to be honest. Who really gives a toss. If they do ever come out and they look nice, then maybe I'll buy some. If they don't come out or they do come out late and/or look ghastly, I probably won't buy them.

But, as a topic, it's probably not worth us all saying rude stuff to each other is it?

Let's just all calm down a bit. If you don't like someone's opinions – or what they say is just too nasty or offernsive – then just do what I do: stifle them of the forum.

Then the day just get's better and better!

John (my real name) Treadaway

PS Like the pic of the guy in the tin foil hat!

Tony, Defiance Games and plastic marines? Aww: who cares, to be honest. Who really gives a toss. If they do ever come out and they look nice, then maybe I'll buy some. If they don't come out or they do come out late and/or look ghastly, I probably won't buy them.

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well said – it is one of the problems of the internet – as you say we all have our own views – most of the people i game with have hugely different views on many subjects to me and if we only knew each other via the net we'd probably only be on spitting terms – as it is we all get on famously (though I'd draw the line at gaming with people in the BNP or Lulz etc)

Stuart

"I must applaud Richard for his efforts – especially as when he first started he was adament he was nothing to do with Defiance Games, and now he's doing all the PR work – and no better than Tony, it's almost as if he has a script to work from…."

No, when I first started this (for the first time being on Dakka) I stated the following:

"Hi, maybe I can offer a little to this thread.

The name's Richard and I'm a semi-insider in Defiance Games (playtester in the ruleset they'll be coming out with later) so I can probably offer some insights."

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Then, when I went to Warseer, I posted the following:

"Hi, I'm Richard, another Defiance Games "insider" (meaning I'm a member of the playtesting group and have access to information about two weeks earlier than the rest of you). I'm also the grousy, bitchy guy who complains a lot about everything Defiance does so . . . I'm biased in a slightly different direction."

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And when I posted here, I said:

"Hi, Defiance Games insider here" with an additional note that I have multiple accounts but keep forgetting the password. I cut out the "playtester" because I forgot to type that art. I also had a second post "Also, for the record, I am also Xeno on the DakkaDakka and Wargames Factory forums, Xeno_RG on Warseer, and Richard on the Defiance Forums." clarifying who I am.

As of right now, I volunteered to be a PR guy, going to various websites (Warseer, Dakka, Frothers) and directly addressing issues to the best of my ability and carrying concerns to the playtesters and the Defiance guys. So I am "affiliated" with Defiance Games in the sense that I'm just trying to counter some of the misinformation.

Right now, I'm just defending my reputation, fielding questions as needed, and bothering Frothers since there really isn't much point with actually trying to counter any of this stuff y'all are talking about.

So, tell me: a what point have I misconstrued my relationship with Defiance Games?

"Sorry Richard I got lost on the main page, you see I wanted to look at the news… there's a section called "news" but it only contains fiction…..the "fiction" section has some kid's English assignments in?!?

When I clicked on the "store" there was nothing to buy, there's no actual rules in the "alien suns" part…by the time I'd looked that far I was so confused I closed the page."

I'm sorry, Mr. May. I guess there's nothing we can do for you then.