"Falklands War" Topic

anyone know who manufactures vehicles and figures in either 10mm or 15mm for this conflict.

any help appreciated

Best bet is probably QRF in 15mm,

Tally Ho!

thanks

Also,

MJ figures link

Steve.

It's number one Pendraken's request list, so I suspect it will probably become a reality in 10mm in the new year.

I'm holding out for the Pendraken 10mm :)

I use Korean War era US soldiers for the Argentines, from QRF I think.

MJ figures were at Reveille yesterday..Browsed through some packs but thought…NO MUSTN'T START ANOTHER PROJECT…And put them down!!

News on this coming in the New Year… ;)

MJ is really the only option for the Falklands currently, but QRF may have some odds and ends that would be useful.

They don't currently have a full range of stuff available for the war, like MJ do though, currently. Hopefully that will change.

They do have some vehicles, and helos that would be useful.

Still waiting for the 15mm scale Pucara from QRF. Perhaps a 20th Anniversary special release?

Harrier GR3's and Sea Harriers can sometimes be found on eBay.

Yes, yes, I know… later this year.

Hurray!!!!!

Excellent news Geoff!!!

Not wanting to push my luck, but we could probably use some A-4's and Daggers for ground support too, in 1/100th scale, when/if you get the time to do those as well.

;-)

My guys are a mixture of QRF and MJ, although the MJ figures vary hugely in size.

Hi all,

MJ has just released pinguins for their Falklands range. I have heard that more sculpts are on the workbench until Salute 2012…
Best regards,
Benoit

Mako 11 said: " Still waiting for the 15mm scale Pucara from QRF. Perhaps a 20th Anniversary special release? "

That would actually be the 30th anniversary, I believe.
Where did all the years go?
Seems like last year…….. have I had me puddin' yet?

That would actually be the 30th anniversary, I believe

2 April 1982 to 14 June 1982, 74 days.

Still waiting for the 15mm scale Pucara from QRF

How does Pucara, Chinook and new infantry sound?

We will be designing some buildings and field defences to go with the 10mm Pendraken figures. If QRF are likley to make a 15mm range we can do the models in 15mm as well.

As usual the models will be based on photos – only this time the photos will be the ones I took during Op Corporate…

Barrie
TimeCast

MJ has just released pinguins for their Falklands range. I have heard that more sculpts are on the workbench until Salute 2012…
Best regards,
Benoit

Oh dammit all ! I have no room in the workshop for any more projects at the moment. NONE. Not doing the Falklands .. too many other periods on the go at the moment.

But after having a quick look at MJ's really interesting range – including Penguins … I have now ordered a small qty of brits, argies, a rapier battery and penguins to add to the queue.

Is this getting obsessive or what ?

If you're also looking for books for scenario ideas I strongly recommend "Not Mentioned in Despatches".

link

Outstanding, detailed account of Goose Green. Plenty of detail for wargamers. It also gets past the facile descriptions of combat from other sources to what actually happened.

Ah yes, you are correct.

Alas, can't count anymore due to alzheimer's…..

;-)

We'll be needing some LVTP-7's to serve as missile targets. Not sure if QRF, or anyone else makes those, but someone is doing the later AAV's, and has mentioned doing the earlier variant eventually.

Now, to find/make a large-scale surfaced sub, so attack helos and ground troops can disable it with A/T rockets.

A few fisheries patrol vessels would be fun too, to spice up those Harrier and Sea Harrier patrols a bit.

We have the AA7V-A1. They used the even earlier AA7V, although the most noticeable difference seems to be the shape if the headlights.

It would have been nice to get the figures out now so we could do the display game for next year….oh well, saves some money i suppose

I better get on with them then (he says, sat at work carving a new L1A1 SLR…)

Actually, while I am here…

We are currently switching our modern packs to 'weapon' packs, rather than 'section' packs. This is mainly due to the diversity of weapons available and the seemingly endless combinations in use as section loadout becomes more mission dependent.

I am intending to do the same with the Cold War/Falklands packs, so we will offer SLR, GPMG, Sterling, LAW, CG etc, unless there is an overwhelming demand for constructed section packs.

I wasn't plannign on adding penguins though; I'll leave that to Mark:

Four companies now making 15mm Falklands figures:

MJ Figures – link

FireForce15 – link

QRF Models – link

Signafer Miniatures – link

Although the MJ line is closer to 18mm. I have seen other QRF castings, and they would not probably blend well with MJ. I've not seen FireForce or Signafer as the shipping costs to the States are ridiculous!

I've kept our figures to 15-16mm… and the helmeted versions will (finally!!!!) get to Chas in the next couple of weeks, including LAWs, Sterlings and L4 Brens

That would actually be the 30th anniversary, I believe.
Where did all the years go?

Actually, 32 years ago yesterday (21st- UK time) we sailed into Falklands Sound….before the skipper made a decision later in the day to move further down into San Carlos Waters.

30 years where has the time gone to…….????? Always remembering my lost pals.

My grandfather was a veteran of WW2, 30 Corps, Signals. When the Falklands War ended I went down with him to meet the troops ships arriving. It was so moving to watch him shake the hands of each he could reach as they disembarked with just three words…

"Well done lad"

Very intersting conversations..especially those friendly and sweet ideas from MAKO11..sorry because i'm not able to find the "quote" function but referring to
" We'll be needing some LVTP-7's to serve as missile targets. Not sure if QRF, or anyone else makes those, but someone is doing the later AAV's, and has mentioned doing the earlier variant eventually.

Now, to find/make a large-scale surfaced sub, so attack helos and ground troops can disable it with A/T rockets.

A few fisheries patrol vessels would be fun too, to spice up those Harrier and Sea Harrier patrols a bit"
i would like to add some more ideas for interesting games:
what about some half drowned Gazelle Elypctor and just one big Sea King..just one but half drowned..also very useful could be some half swimming figures of pilots/SBS/RMLI..just to have something to play with my Grupo de Combate Esteban Regimento de Infanteria 25 castings ..
thanks for the help

For the third time of asking; please explain why you believe the Falklands to belong to Argentina. You have never ever answered the question.

If you're going to support fascistic South American imperialists you must have a reason.

Mr Mark Davies while you insist in using that type of language…"" and continuous personal attacks..i can assure you that i'll not, as you probably deserve, push the little grey button on the left ..and also that i'll not aswer you with similar insults …easily classfiable as a breakage of the elementary rules of this and many other forums…i just invite you to think about the fact that you're not the supreme Lord of the Truth……and somebody else can certainly comments on that posting Vs Argentina but he must be prepared to receive the same kind of attentions….

said that …i can only add that while i'm answering you, i i'm, in this late and hot "mediterranean/latin/fascist" (the therms you used last time) night, painting some nice colonial "Imperialist" 28mm WF zulu wars redcoats while tasting a glass a Pim's N°1 mixed with Italian type Ginger and "fascist/latin/mediterranean" peaches and same origin peppermint….so i make a toast to you

We'll be needing some LVTP-7's to serve as missile targets. Not sure if QRF, or anyone else makes those, but someone is doing the later AAV's, and has mentioned doing the earlier variant eventually

Our version has square lights, like seen here:

The ones from Argentina had the older round configuration, like this:

Otherwise they are pretty much identical

OK, As an American with not part on either side, based on the historical evidence, what can possibly cause anyone to believe that Argentina has any claim whatsoever on the Falklands?

I hear a lot of "we own then" And for a reason "becauae we do". What I dont hear is Date time place who was there to back up any claim. As often as I hear poeple make the claim, I would have thougth they couldcome up with some actual reason by now. Instead mostly I hear the same claim repeated loudeer.

Is there any even slight actual claim? or just made up hysteria?

Owen

Mr Badger i'm not the best authority to answer to your politly balanced question…but how can be possible to accept nowdays some former Big Countries like UK, France (to name the most important examples) to have Dependencies, Départements or Territoires d'Outremer, far Regions..in practice COLONIES while they claim themselves as Democratic Countries…How can be possible to insist in ruling a land which is more than 12.000 Km form the mainland..practically desert untill the British agression with the exception of some few that had practically no rights, no decision possibilities, no Medical facilities until the liberation of the Argnetinian..how it's possible that those innocent were and are considered by London British citizen if they only work on lands that belonged to few rich people in London?…how could be possible that, in this forum, i read that the actual self-determination referendum staged in the Eastern Provinces of Ucraina is a fake..while the one recently staged in Falklands was the real expression of freedom?..just some thoughts

The problem with that idea, that the land is owned by those in london where for the poeple dont need to be brit citizens cuts two ways. I read somewhere a whoile back that most of the land in Argentina is owned by a relatively few people living in the citys of the country. So does that mean they no longer have the right to own that land and most of it should be given back to the original inhabitants of the south american region? Sowe wind up with a narrow strip called Argentina and a big chunk called something in a native tongue? FAir is fair after all.

Of course the same could be applied to the USA. not sure how that would play out. And how we would figure out who could decide considering how much intermarrage has happened by now.

But it doesnt matter, becaue there is no way in hell Argentina is going to allow anything on the mainland that they are demanding on the island. Which at the least is hypacroitacal as can be. Argentina has way to many problems to be trying to solve right at home to be messing around someplace else. At some point in time you have to accept that you have lost on a particular issue and go do something else. The USA and Vietnam are major trading partners now. And amazingly enough allies on a number of issues that dont need to be discussed here and now.

it would not surprise me at all if the UK and Argentina would not have any number of things that would be mutualy benificial if argentina would accept reality and realize they are never ever going to get the falklands.

Owen

Italwars,

If you're feeling insulted, it's only because you have no answer or justification for your belief that Latino imperialists should rule the Falklands in defiance of history and international law.

Please explain why you believe that Argentina should rule the Falklands? You have repeatedly asserted that Britain and the Falklanders themselves should not, so what is it that entitles Argentina to do so?

I asked you politely the first time this came up (you were called Folgore then)

Little unfair Mark, a lot of Argentinian conscripts fought hard and died, not really understanding what they were really fighting over.

i read that the actual selfdetermination referendum staged in the Eastern Provinces of Ucraina is a fake..while the one recently staged in Falklands was the real expression of freedom?

The Donetsk referendum was contrary to the Ukrainian constitution, which permits a referendum but requires it be considered by the entire population of Ukraine (otherwise any individual minority group could do the same, causing all sorts of problems, all over the world). It was conducted under effective militia control with independent observers excluded. Despite the lack of formal lists, enabling multiple votes to take place, the results were known within an hour (suggesting that they were already known before the referendum).

In contrast the Falklands vote of self determination was conducted openly and within international law.

you are certainly true, Owen,

Malvinas issue represent above all a propaganda issue..just think that the same government don't care a bit about their veterans…but such an important rivendication ea must not be condemned just because it has been revamped by such an unreliable funny Lady…i would also like to add that, contrary to what i read here, the supposed to be local first inhabitants of that Country..Indios ecc..were so few and so sparse that we cannot really talk of conquest and grabbing of their lands from Europeans…that's my opinion

Geoff,

Yes, a little unfair – just sarcasm aimed at Italwars, who was no doubt cheering the Junta to the high heavens at the time.

yes Mark Davies…you're right, i will really and for the 1st time as you perfectly know "run away" to bed this time..we are so lazy here in "fascist/mediterranean/latino" country that we care to wake up and go to work only very late in the morning and only after 3 capuccinos………………………
PS: i answered you about what you asked me..just read please

Folgore/Italwars

No you didn't.

You described the Falklanders , then spouted some e about 'liberation' and the usual tired Argentine fascist propaganda about 'liberation', geographical separation, etc, etc. The res of your is just a pack of lies, straight from the Kerchner Big Bumper Book of Malvinas Lies.

If the life of the Falklanders was so bad, why did they not welcome their 'liberators' with open arms in 1982? What do YOU believe gave Argentina the right to decide for the Falklanders?

So, you have once again completely failed to answer the question:

Why do YOU believe that Argentina has any right to sovereignty?

When did they own it?

How did Britain and the Falklanders take it from them?

Aside from the Falklands, when did Argentina own South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and why do they believe they have sovereignty over them?

Why was Argentina justified in commencing its war of aggression that you and your mates describe as 'liberation'?

You started this. At least have the courage to back up your Argentine imperialist fantasies with facts.

Vitaï Lampada…certainly not your favourite poem
bye..bye

"As an American with not part on either side, based on the historical evidence, what can possibly cause anyone to believe that Argentina has any claim whatsoever on the Falklands?"

An American asks this question? The delicious historical irony of Britain laying claim to land in the Western Hemisphere is apparently lost on him.

The British arguments all boil down to the fact that the island's inhabitants are British. The historical fact that the British Empire conquered a quarter of the globe from indigenous inhabitants who weren't British and didn't want to be British, is apparently lost on the modern Brits.

And that they then go on to bemoan Argentina's unprovoked war of aggression is especially hilarious.

These carefully constructed legal justifications are all bosh. In this case, might makes right, and the islands only remain British because Thatcher dedicated the resources to retaking them. Argentina only attacked them to create a foreign policy distraction. Arguing the legal merits of the respective cases is silly twaddle (but that, after all, is what the internet is best suited for).

Help a Yankee out. I thought the Falklanders where a bunch of sheepherders in main.

And besides, what does a persons occupation have to do with thier rights. Oh also it was mentioned earier, what rights have the falklanders been denied? no taxatyion without representation? That worked OK for us, but it is a little late in the game for that, AND IT IS NOT LIKE THEY WOULD GET ANY MEANINGFUL REPRESENTAION IN ARGERNTINA. They would not even be allowed to continue to speak thier own language but would be forced to learn a foreign tounge.

owen

Argentina claim is mainly based on geographical proximity, but also partly on the fact that Britain withdrew from the islands and Argentina built a base there. British troops returned to reestablish their claim, but then once again withdrew having done so.

However as of 1982 there were (i believe) only British citizens living there, for many years, who worked mainly as farmers, primarily sheep. One occupation is the harvesting of kelp (seaweed), hence kelpers.

The 1982 invasion was very much an attempt to distract the home crowd from failings at home and united them under a feeling that Argentina was reclaiming something from an outside threat, which was orchestrated through selective media (hmm, sounds familiar).

Argentine soldiers were mainly conscripts, who fought hard and died needlessly, partly because they had been told the British would give them no surrender.

It is I think worth pointing out that the Falkland Islanders have self government, including a small military of their own….shouldn't they have a say in their own future?

The majority of the islanders are descended from English and Scottish farmers, but there are others whose roots are South American and Slavic.

The falklanders themselves wish to remain British.
The Argentines say this is irrelevant as they are implanted, not native, people… This ignores that fact falklanders have a longer history of being on the island than most Argeninian have of being in Argentina, who are almost entirely European migrants.

The islands themselves were first discovered by the French.
British and American whalers would also use it for repairs.
The Spanish tried to use it as a penal colony, before the British took it over.

British policy is, if the Falklanders want to be Argentinian they can be. After a vote.

While it is a legacy of Empire, there isn't much that can be done about it. Argentina has never owned them and the people living their have been British longer than Argentina has been a country. Proximity is meaningless as by that argument Britain has some kind of rights over Ireland. Which I think we all agree is nonsense.

The UK has as good a history on democracy as most countries and in the last 50 years has come to terms with its imperial past.

The people of the Falkland Islands vote to remain British in a referendum – fine they can do so.

This principle applies not only to colonies but within the boundaries of the state itself

A significant proportion of the people in Scotland want independence – fine lets have a referendum and see if they are in a majority

The key principle for me is self determination