Lluis of Minairons | 19 Nov 2011 8:24 a.m. PST |
Hi all, After a lot of years at miniatures gaming, I've often got the feeling that Spanish Civil War is one of those rare, resistant-to-trends periods, where the minatures size/scale keeps being none of those most common at other conflicts. Maybe it would be worth for either established or newcoming producers to have an approach on where users' preferences are pointing at. So I'd like to suggest a poll with this topic's very same title. I guess that a likely list of answers might be such as this one below, for instance: 1 . 6mm 2 . 10mm 3 . 15mm 4 . 20mm 5 . 28mm 6 . never playing SCW Your opinion? |
Oddball | 19 Nov 2011 8:34 a.m. PST |
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gunnerphil | 19 Nov 2011 8:42 a.m. PST |
I am using 15mm, but if were starting now would use Pendraken 10mm |
Angel Barracks | 19 Nov 2011 9:02 a.m. PST |
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ComradeCommissar | 19 Nov 2011 9:59 a.m. PST |
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Jlundberg | 19 Nov 2011 10:11 a.m. PST |
28mm mixture of Empress(nee Anglian) and Force of Arms |
Richard Baber | 19 Nov 2011 10:13 a.m. PST |
20mm, but then again I only game with 20mm :-) |
Lluis of Minairons | 19 Nov 2011 10:22 a.m. PST |
Hum, when playing SCW I do it with 20mm. But this is my only period at such scale, all the rest is 15mm. And don't know why :S |
Red3584 | 19 Nov 2011 10:53 a.m. PST |
15mm using Peter Pig figures although 28mm is now tempting me for platoon level games [noooo
make the bad thoughts go away!!!!!] |
bruntonboy | 19 Nov 2011 10:56 a.m. PST |
Now=3, previously =4. In the future who knows? |
mashrewba | 19 Nov 2011 11:57 a.m. PST |
15, 20 and 28 but it's more miniatures driven. As with every other period it depends what level you want to use. The trouble with the SCW is that there is not much that is tactically interesting to game (frontal assaults on entrenchments mainly) as the idea seemed to be to get as many of your own guys killed as the opposition -or preferably more for the Republicans. |
dualer | 19 Nov 2011 12:15 p.m. PST |
28mm, only because of the excellent Anglian/ Empress range. I used to do 20mm using Hotspur, but they have been retired to the loft! |
Stosstruppen | 19 Nov 2011 2:50 p.m. PST |
This is a period I plan on starting soon, I will use 10mm from Pendraken. |
D6 Junkie | 19 Nov 2011 6:31 p.m. PST |
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XV Brigada | 19 Nov 2011 6:52 p.m. PST |
10mm for several reasons. The Pendraken range is comprehensive and apparently still expanding. Most of the aircraft are available in 1:144 from Reviresco. Most of the vehicles, tanks, armoured cars, guns and trucks are available from Pithead. 10mm is now my preferred scale for all periods. |
alan in canberra | 19 Nov 2011 8:08 p.m. PST |
15mm – already had Peninsula war terrain and buildings.Alan |
Grand Duke Natokina | 19 Nov 2011 8:42 p.m. PST |
76th/72nd scale for vehicles and troops. 72nd for acft. |
Lluis of Minairons | 20 Nov 2011 2:56 a.m. PST |
there is not much that is tactically interesting to game
as the idea seemed to be to get as many of your own guys killed as the opposition For an instant I believed you were describing ACW warfare! Silly jokes apart, such kind of military doctrine handicaps can be found at nearly every major conflict for one side or the other, and are not necessarily affecting that particular period special flavour. I believe such is the case of both the Spanish and the American Civil Wars. Perhaps those do affect the gaming level however, thus being favoured those scales preserving the most flavour and fun. |
mashrewba | 20 Nov 2011 6:15 a.m. PST |
Indeed Soldadets you are right, especially as I'd just said I play in three scales so it must have something going on!!! In 28mm you have scope for all sorts of activities and larger than life characters -crow bars against tanks, rolling barrels of burning oil, desperate last stands and how many modern period armies can field slingers- albeit slinging dynamite. 20mm is good for battalion/brigade actions and 15mm for brigade /division battles. Of course you can use any scale you like for whatever level but I've based my 20mm 2/3 figs to a base and my 15mm on 80mm bases with 5/6 figs so that tends to inform the sort of level of game that's played. The rules I've used include Rapid Fire, BKC, Triumph and Tragedy, WH40K (you can keep the Chaplains and Commissars in!!), IABSM, Disposable Heroes and Bayonet and Ideology -all gave great games. I suppose if I want to game combined arms operations there are enough other periods to do that but I can't think of many where you can put in so much back story. This for me is the attraction of gaming the SCW. It's also the most involving period I play with my interest going far beyond the little metal men. So that pretty much refutes my own comment – in fact one of the game objectives could be for the Communist commander to have that Anarchist unit take a good hiding!!! |
Gaz0045 | 20 Nov 2011 7:18 a.m. PST |
20mm for ground actions and I'm torn between 1/300 and 1/600th for the airwar
.I used to game a lot with a friends 10mm armies in company/battalion level- some great games then! (oooh all nostalgic
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JPKelly | 20 Nov 2011 11:49 a.m. PST |
15mm from Peter Pig, QRF, & UK Minifigs. The 10mm is very tempting. John Kelly |
SeattleGamer | 20 Nov 2011 12:09 p.m. PST |
I only game in 28mm as previous forays into painting anything smaller led to frustration and depression. I will never be able to paint anything smaller than a typical 28mm trooper to any degree of self satisfaction. This period interests me, and I recently picked up several rule sets to check out, and perhaps play some solo games with markers instead of figures. When I dive in for real, it will be Empress & Force of Arms. |
AlanYork | 20 Nov 2011 1:18 p.m. PST |
15mm using Bayonet and Ideology from Peter Pig. Viva la Republica!!! |
Patrick Sexton | 21 Nov 2011 11:30 a.m. PST |
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John the Greater | 21 Nov 2011 2:20 p.m. PST |
15mm. It think about other scales, but if I take my medication the voices stop talking to me. |
Aubrey | 22 Nov 2011 6:10 a.m. PST |
15mm Peter Pig using BAIT rules. |
BlackWidowPilot | 22 Nov 2011 11:49 p.m. PST |
20mm aka 1/72 scale. The sheer variety of models, figures, and terrain available is quite impressive IMHO: *Aircraft available in plastic kit form is of a substantial variety, from the Potez 540 and Dewoitine 510 to the Heinkel 51 and CR 32 to the I-15 and R-5, plus civilian aircraft easily converted to the Republican militarized improv bombers.
*Artillery pieces are coming online in plastic thanks to HaT Industrie, while metal guns abound from Reviresco, Irrregular, et al. *AFVs available in plastic, resin, and white metal galore. Pegasus makes a two-fer set of fast assembly hard plastic BT-7 (round turret) and BA-6 armoured cars, while the Panzer I can still be had from Italeri. Reviresco makes the Lancia IZM in white metal. The T-26 is available from Skytrex in white metal, and others in resin. I keep hoping that Pegasus will release one in hard plastic
*Irregular Miniature has an established and very nice line of 20mm SCW figures for both sides, including all sorts of specialty units, militia, gun crews, cavalry, and etc. Their prices are quite reasonable even for overseas customers, their bulk packs are a great way to build up an army, and their "Que?" starter set is a perfect way to get started in the period, complete with some handy and fun fast-play rules included. Hope this helps! Leland R. Erickson
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Kaoschallenged | 23 Nov 2011 12:36 a.m. PST |
3mm-1/600. There is already some WWI and of course WWII. And Aviation looks to maybe expanded in the future. Robert My 1/600 Miniature Aircraft Wargaming Yahoo Group link 3mm_miniatures · 1/600_miniatures link |
wargamer6 | 23 Nov 2011 1:03 a.m. PST |
10mm has got to be the best scale , Pendraken make a fantastic range of SCW infantry with figures representing each of the factions as well as some Ad hoc armoured cars . link All the other vehicles including a good range of softskins are made by Pithead who also make more SCW artillery than than you can get in any other scale. link |
mashrewba | 23 Nov 2011 12:49 p.m. PST |
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Carlista | 23 Nov 2011 3:07 p.m. PST |
15mm for me. peter pig (excellent new figures) and the late queen range (sadly difficult now to obtain). I play spain in flames adaption of FOW, as FOW is played at our club so I can bring them into this era and also turm some of the younger lads from the darkside of warhammer. looking through some of the comments on here i have toyed with the idea of bayonet and ideology. i know there have been threads on this already but are these rules any good? |
wargamer6 | 24 Nov 2011 1:29 p.m. PST |
Leland , The 20mm vehicles list you have given is very impressive but what artillery is available in this scale. I suppose if you buy 20mm resin or metal kits then they will come at a higher price. |
mashrewba | 24 Nov 2011 1:38 p.m. PST |
Bayonet and Ideology are good -basically PBI – You throw to activate troops and then get a random number of action points to spend on shooting , morale , moving etc. Lots of period flavour as with all PP rules. ( |
Mike O | 24 Nov 2011 2:50 p.m. PST |
1/72 scale all the way for me (actually 22.4mm according to the TMP article TMP link ). Just too many well-sculpted, low price plastic options (including conversions) available supplemented by metal figures and resin vehicles. It's also a great "middle-way" scale for decent size engagements and visual spectacle whereas I find 28mm only good for skirmish and 15mm, or smaller, lacking in choice, sculpting preference and – as my eyes get older – not so easy to paint well and appreciate. wargamer6 check out the wonderful (and cheap!) 1/72 scale hard and soft plastic artillery from the likes of HaT, Italeri and the rest: French "75" link British QF 4.5 inch link Russian Putilov 76.2mm link ..plus various others link hat.com/currentW.html link link link link |
Captain dEwell | 26 Nov 2011 3:40 a.m. PST |
5. Want to do 3, but may choose 2. "We're living my numbers now! . . . I don't know your name . . ." |
BlackWidowPilot | 26 Nov 2011 8:52 p.m. PST |
"Leland , The 20mm vehicles list you have given is very impressive but what artillery is available in this scale. I suppose if you buy 20mm resin or metal kits then they will come at a higher price." HaT Industrie has released the 76.2mm Putilov field gun, the German 77mm Krupp field gun, the 75mm Skoda mountain gun, the Italian 75mm DuPort field gun, the French '75, the British 18-pounder (IIRC), and a Pak 36. They've also added a British 4.5 inch howitzer if I'm not mistaken.
Reviresco makes a French '75 with limber in white metal that is to die for(!!!), and a Krupp 77mm field gun and limber that is much the same level of excellent detail for the money in white metal. Reviresco also makes early WW1 french and both early and late WW1 German gun crews, plus horse teams. Hope all this helps! Leland R. Erickson
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GOTHIC LINE MINIATURES | 03 Dec 2011 10:09 a.m. PST |
28mm any brand as long as the quality is there,smaller scales have no eye candy factor,plus plastic is not as appealing as real metal wargaming figures! |
BlackWidowPilot | 03 Dec 2011 7:15 p.m. PST |
"smaller scales have no eye candy factor,plus plastic is not as appealing as real metal wargaming figures!" I've a whole SCW collection in 20mm aka 1/72 scale I can dig out in short order and start uploading photos in my online album
Don't MAKE me get my camera out, Senor Gothic
Leland R. Erickson
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wargamer6 | 04 Dec 2011 4:53 a.m. PST |
Some personal observations 28mm figures look great but there are fewer vehicles and artillery are made in this scale, the costs are high and its only good for skirmishing unless you have a big table. 20mm has plenty of realistically proportioned figures vehicles and artillery at reasonable prices, but some people don't like soft plastic or kit bashing . 15mm has a great set of figures that are nicely detailed and are a good compromise between detail compared to the space they take up on the table but the scale does not appear to have as many SCW period vehicles or artillery available as 20mm or 10mm do. 10mm has a widest range of SCW figures, artillery and vehicles at reasonable prices compared to other scales and you can get a good sized battle on a small table, Perhaps they are not as appealing to paint as the larger scales for some people.
6mm, not much SCW available in this scale, little "eye candy" factor due to size and are difficult to paint for some older people. On the plus side you can get a huge battle on even the smallest table and the costs are cheaper per unit than any other scale.
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Johny Boy | 04 Dec 2011 6:50 a.m. PST |
I was originally drawn into the SCW period by Richard Hunt's articles in Mil Mod many moons ago, scratch building and converting in 20mm (if anyone has copies of those articles either digital or hardcopy and could supply a copy I would be more than willing to reimburse them for their efforts, would love to read these gain for nostalgia value). I'm also a huge fan of the Empress range and Force of Arms 28mm figs, however for gaming terms i personally think 15mm comes up trumps in terms of what's now available and the scope for scale of game this scale offers. My own interest is in large scale company sized skirmish gaming, with 15mm you can set up terrain that actually represents an entire village, factory etc on an average sized table, plus with the Peter Pig figs you are still getting all the detail,the newer additions are fantastic. (Does anyone have a contact details or email for the Late Queen?, their militia and CTV are superb) In terms of what;s on offer in 15mm with Battlefront and Skytrex both covering the early war period,as well as the new zveda 1/100 plastic BT5, Opel blitz and russian lorries many of the vehicles options are covered, not forgetting of course Blue moon's new WW1 French schneider CA1 to add some formidable armoured support to your militia column. likewise QRF produce a really nice Lancia armoured car for the CTV. in terms of air support i'mm going to use 1/72 plastics, the scale seen from above working well in terms of visual scale when working with the 15mm figs. So yeah, salud comerade and go 15mm! it makes sense in so many ways. All the best guys |
BlackWidowPilot | 05 Dec 2011 1:34 p.m. PST |
OK. No more Mr. Nice Guy. The camera comes out tonight
Leland R. Erickson
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hurrahbro | 05 Dec 2011 2:06 p.m. PST |
Started playing round here about 15 years ago with the old Wild Geese range, figures are about 12mm, but the vehicles are more 1/200th. 3 maybe 4 of us have figures. Expanding now with Pendraken/Pithead etc. |
XV Brigada | 06 Dec 2011 7:59 a.m. PST |
I notice Pithead have SCW listings now. See their order form for full details of what is out already and what is 'in the pipeline'. Trucks and artillery that are not available elsewhere. Between Pithead and Pendraken there is now very little that is not produced in 10mm. |
NigelM | 07 Dec 2011 3:50 a.m. PST |
Whatever my opponent provides as I have no plans to build my own forces. It's one of those gaming eras I just don't 'get' I know I should but it just doesn't do anything for me. In the unlikely event of me starting it would be in 15mm as that's what I use for everything these days. Starting from absolute scratch I would go 10mm. |
mashrewba | 07 Dec 2011 3:43 p.m. PST |
Johny Boy -I have the articles up stairs -I'd be happy to help. |
Lluis of Minairons | 07 Dec 2011 4:30 p.m. PST |
So it would be advisable to modify my initial poll suggestion to include 3mm gaming too. Then it would be something like this: 1 . 3mm 2 . 6mm 3 . 10mm 4 . 15mm 5 . 20mm 6 . 28mm 7 . never playing SCW |
Johny Boy | 07 Dec 2011 11:35 p.m. PST |
Mashrewba that would be great, bw photocopies or scans would be great, let me know what you need towards cost and postage etc. Many thanks indeed, be great to read these again, a brilliant introduction to the period by Robin Hunt. |
le2001 | 08 Dec 2011 11:16 a.m. PST |
I have been thinking a great deal about this myself. I started with 15mm and like the new Peter Pig figures but am tempted by and have purchased some Pendraken 10mm. Still not sure. |
Johny Boy | 08 Dec 2011 3:10 p.m. PST |
Hi Mshrewba, to sort out postage etc, my email contact is jonrog70@yahoo.co.uk, cheers. |
WillieB | 08 Dec 2011 6:20 p.m. PST |
28mm. The Empress ones are just too nice. |