"1:1200 Anglo-Dutch men-o'-war" Topic

Having never painted a ship before, I decided it was high time to conquer the seas:

The medium of choice so far has been Langton's 1:1200 scale Anglo-Dutch range. More pictures and details of my trials and tribulations at Mike's Leadpile

Running rigging as well as the standing rigging?! Those are excellent! Very well done. You should do a tutorial for those of us who are less gifted.

At the very least, could you share the painting recipe for those sails? I've a Napoleonic French 38 gun Frigate languishing in the yards because I just can't get the sails to look right.

Magnificent – best ones I have seen.

You should send them to Rod for use on his site.

excellent work!

Wow – your rigging is fabulous and makes my own attempts look rather pathetic.

Very nicely done ships. I really do like the Langton range – top notch models

Miles

Are you really going to game with those? They are too beautiful to expose them to the potentials for damage on the game table.

How many hours went into each of those ships? I suspect that time to make a model like that would also argue against gaming with them.

Would you accept commisions to produce a few of those for my display collection?

Al (ggmolly@comcast.net)

Bravo sir! Bravo! Absolutely stunning! Can't wait to order mine next week. And yes, please tell how you did the sails, best i've seen

Good lord! Those are lovely!

Those ships do look wonderful, as do the water effects too!

Any tips on rigging and painting vessels that small, and how long does it take to fully rig a ship?

Very, very nice indeed.

… and yes, you should game with them !

Once you have the rigging in place such models are really quite robust – the use of the brass ratlines superglued in place gives such models a lot of strength.

Shame to let them sit in a cabinet.

Best wishes,

Mark Barker

Fantastic work! And this is your first shot at ship modeling?!? Very, very impressive.

Beautiful!

Thanks for looking, everyone, and for all the compliments! There are a few more ships on the 'to do' list, so maybe I'll try to knock together a tutorial, since there seems to be some demand.

Rigging took about 5 hours the first time around, and maybe 4 hours for the second; I could see this being A LOT shorter with more practice, though.

Amazingly good ! I like the photo on the blog with the pencil in it, really shows how diminutive the ships are and makes the care you took on the rigging all the more impressive.

Steve

Very nice job on the 1/1200 ships, especially the stern ornamentation on the Dutchman!

FYI, Langton produces an excellent tutorial booklet covering assembly of their ships, including a very detailed, step-by-step discussion of rigging. It costs £12.50 plus shipping, though.

MH.

Thanks for the info.

Would love to read a tutorial.

Must save up some money to buy some of these, since they look superb!

Not really a matter of 'saving up'. If the exchange rate is less than $1.53 to the GBP, Langton is *cheaper* than GHQ.

I love your painting , very fine models. I have been doing some research over the holiday on Dutch stern decorations and so far have located pictures or descriptions of around 40 Dutch ships. The Eendracht 76 Guns destroyed at Lowerstoff was a different ship to yours. The Eendracht you have modelled is the 1666 80 gun replacement. The earlier warship had a "Maid of Holland" and Lion inside an enclosure on its stern.

wargamer6- good to know. I've been working on a few more ships for this project, but I don't know Dutch and there's little information available in English on the period, so I've gone more and more towards just making ships that 'look right' rather than trying to depict specific ones. Of course, this isn't as satisfying, so if you're able and willing to share your research, I'd be grateful for anything you can throw my way.

That said, where have you been getting your information on Dutch ships? I'm guessing the van de Velde drawings are a major source, but are there any others? Finding out what stern decorations looked like-- and particularly their colours-- is one of the toughest aspects in depicting those Dutch ships.

KniazSuvorov, send me an Email on Vanilla55@sky.com and I will share my findings so far.

WG6

Did you use Langton's rigging method or your own?
sky

Hi KniazSuvorov,
Looks really great. I have to admit I used to like building and rigging those ships quite some years ago. They were time consuming but the result was often very pleasing. (Rod has a very good manual for painting and rigging and that certainly was very helpfull for me)

Regarding the colour of the sterns, you might want to take a look on internet at "De batavia werf in Lelystad, The Netherlands". They have replica of the Batavia (not a warship) and they are currently building "De 7 provinciën" there. You should be able to find pictures of the sterns of both ships.
Of course the old Dutch masters are also a good source.

In general the sterns had a lot of painted wooden sculpures Mostly depicting something of the name of the ship as well. For instance "Het Wapen van Zeeland" would have the Coat d'arms of Zeeland on its stern.

I did some research many years ago on the sterns and flags of those ships in the maritime museum of Rotterdam, but have to admit I can not find any of that back now.
Anyway, the sterns are to full of ornament2 that it is quite impossible to replicate on that scale.
For instance, the stern of the 7 provinciën has 8 different coat d'arms between two red lions.
So I think you do very well with a "look right type of ship".
Regards,
Monash1916
By the way, I am dutch :-)

I thought your 6mm. Adler Napoleonics were superb, but you've surpassed yourself with these ships, Bravo. Matt.

Monash,
I get to stay in Eindoven for a few weeks each year on business. I often have time to get to Amsterdam. Are there any such museums there? Also I know of the GW store in Amsterdam but I can never find other gaming stores. Any hints about that in any of these cities?
sky

If anyone wants to go large-scale, there's a built wooden one on eBay that's about 40" long, and selling for around $400 USD – $600 USD, or so.

Can't remember the exact price, and it's a bit dusty, but looked rather nice. Made in Germany, decades ago, and the artwork on the sails looks superb.

Skyking20,
Gameshops are very rare in The Netherlands. To be honest I would know none except a few GW stores. But I never go there. For my mini's etc I totally have to rely on the internetshops. Paint and brushes I buy in hobbyshops, but I presume you do not mean these kind of shops.
What kind of museums are you exsctly looking for?
Monash

Those look amazing, well done!

Its a shame that nobody makes Dutch ships in 1/600 scale .
I reckon that if they were made in this size you could paint the unique stern decorations and each ship would look recognisable which I imagine is pretty difficult to do in 1/1200. Having said that Kniav, you have done a very good job with such a small model.

I'd love some Dutch ships in 1/600th – 1/100th scale.

1/600th, 1/300th, and 1/100th scales would seem ideal for their very nice looking vessels.

Can't afford the larger, superbly finished wooden ones, and even if I could, I doubt I'd let people play with a $500 USD+ vessel.

Monash,
I was referring to naval museums.
sky

That has to be the most shockingly good assembly and paint work I have ever seen on such tiny models. I am in awe.

Where do the bases come from? Does Langton sell those too?

I was referring to naval museums.

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Amsterdam has the "Scheepvaarmuseum" with the replica VOC ship "Batavia"

Link:

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Rotterdam has the "Maritiem Museum Prins Hendrik" with a original 1860's ironclad.

Link:

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Both worth the while :)

Errr.. VOC ship Amsterdam" :)

indeed Jeroen, it is the "Amsterdam" :-)

Skyking, while in Amsterdam, you might want to take a quick look at the counter of the Royal Charles:
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In Lelystad you can see the replica of the Batavia, which is a very beautiful ship, much better than the "Amsterdam" in my opinion.
On the Bataviawerf (Batavia shipyard) they are now currently building "De Zeven Provinciën".
bataviawerf.nl

While in Rotterdam, you might also want to take a look at "De Delft". On that shipyard/museum they are currently building a Napoleonic Dutch ship of the line. (I have to admit they are not very far yet, but it is still interesting to see.)
dedelft.nl/index.php

In the maritieme museum of Den Helder you can find the sistership of "De Buffel", the ironclad Jeroen mentioned.
She is called "De Schorpioen" (Scorpion).

Skyking, if you want I might be able to show you around in Rotterdam if you want. (But you have to let me know a few weeks in advance :-) )

Jeroen, what kind of naval games do you play?
I saw you live in ZH, so am I :-)

Ehmm…naval warfare…i like almost everything that floats ;)

I'm gaming wise a bit rusty but i helped Lluis out wih this AAR:

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:)

nearly anything that floats, that is a lot :-)
Great AAR. Would have loved to see some pics with it.

@Skyking20

If you are staying in Einhoven a few weeks a year, why not visiting our gamegroup there.

Drop a mail at wwww.militiabrabantia.nl

Anemaat:
Well my month long visit in April has been canceled but I will let you know when I am heading over.
sky

Mike, what happened to your blog?

It hasn't been updated in years…I has a sad…

Really a good ships, Congrats!

they belong in a museum