| Condottiere | 01 Sep 2011 6:05 p.m. PST |
They certainly aren't Italians from the Medieval and Renaissance period. Received the e-mail advertisement today. They just don't look correct. Not even close.
I would have expected them to look more like this: link |
Phillius  | 01 Sep 2011 10:23 p.m. PST |
You'd be wrong. Neither are great, but both have some aspects correct. |
| Puster | 01 Sep 2011 11:01 p.m. PST |
This might be interesting, though the first glimpses do not yet compete against TAG or Venexia. I am awaiting judgement until I have seen them, though… |
| 6sided | 02 Sep 2011 1:42 a.m. PST |
Think I will stick with the Perry plastics and conver them a it, for a quarter of the price! Jaz
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| Pentaro | 02 Sep 2011 1:59 a.m. PST |
I guess both their miniatures AND their new rulebook are "coming soon" :) |
| Condottiere | 02 Sep 2011 4:04 a.m. PST |
You'd be wrong. Neither are great, but both have some aspects correct. In my opinion the Foundry are not even close. There some "elements" that are correct, but I owuld not use these for mid to late 15th century Italians (which I assume they are attempting to represent since they have arquebus with trigger mechanisms). The link to the Perry conversions are far closer to the real deal--except for some helmets and armor pieces. At least they look more like these illustrations taken from 15th and 16th century Italian art:
and these:
I just do not recall ever seeing "jackets" and most of those hats as portrayed on the Foundry figures. They just seem completely wrong, save a few. But if they want their premium prices they had better be very accurate. I think I'll stick with Venexia 28mm and TAG. |
| Phillius | 02 Sep 2011 10:46 a.m. PST |
Artists and Warfare in the Renaissance by J R Hale is the best source. This shows elements of both types for later 15th century clothing. The TAG figures for the early 16th are very good, and the Foundry ones look close to them. The Perry plastics are great for northern Europe, and so so for Italy. The pictures above show Italian styles more akin to the third quarter of the 15th century. The Foundry picture does say Italian Wars, therefor the early 16th century. It will be interesting to see what the figures actually look like, and how ridiculously they are priced. The Perrys are aimed at the WoTR and the wars on the continent of the same time. So thats 1460s – 1480s. The Burgundian wars etc. If you look at the Lucerne/Schilling Chronicles, you see Swiss and lansknechts dressed in a style similar to the Perrys (drawn in 1513 showing battles 1410-1499), but in the last quarter of the 15th century Italian art is starting to show puffy sleeves and slashing. |
| Phillius | 02 Sep 2011 10:47 a.m. PST |
I'm not sure the Foundry shot should all be wearing that pill box hat though. |
| the trojan bunny | 02 Sep 2011 11:18 a.m. PST |
Those sculpts don't look that great, especially for Foundry. Some rather odd proportions there! |
| Griefbringer | 02 Sep 2011 11:18 a.m. PST |
Is it just me, or do many of the figures pictured sport rather largish hands? |
| Condottiere | 02 Sep 2011 1:31 p.m. PST |
Artists and Warfare in the Renaissance by J R Hale is the best source. This shows elements of both types for later 15th century clothing. Indeed, and scanning through it reveals nothing like the costumes and hats depicted in the Foundry picture above, with a couple of exceptions. The TAG figures for the early 16th are very good, and the Foundry ones look close to them. I do not see any resemblance at all. TAG:
link The TAG Italians do not have the high collared waist jacket with brass buttons, which is very odd. The TAG figures have lots of puffy sleeves and often are depicted wearing the "saione." The Perry plastics are great for northern Europe, and so so for Italy. They do offer head variants that make them more "Italian" in appearance for 1450-1500-ish. The Foundry picture does say Italian Wars, therefor the early 16th century. Which is very odd as well. Frank Chadwick is authoring the rules "Condottiere: Dogs of War" that Foundry is publishing. The rules and presumably the complementary figures line as shown in the picture above, would be 14th and 15th century. Scanning through the rules on Amazon reveals landsknecht figures in many of the photos. So, who knows? Chadwick rules:
link …but in the last quarter of the 15th century Italian art is starting to show puffy sleeves and slashing. Yes, which makes the Foundry figures a real head scratcher. Maybe there will be some "servicable" figures, but at their asking prices and the apparent lack of sculpting quality (certainly not on the parr with Perry's Foundry Landsknechts), and odd costume elements, I think these will be a pass for me unless there are figures unavailable elsewhere that do not have some of the odd elements identified above. |
| SpuriousMilius | 03 Sep 2011 8:13 a.m. PST |
They look suitable for Mordheim, IMO, & they might tempt me to dig out my Montague vs Capulet riot figures to add a few reinforcements. |
