Terry37 | 28 Jul 2011 5:45 p.m. PST |
I have cleaned and primed all of the figures for doing this army (for DBN), and am now wondering that since Tsar Paul (1796-1801) changed the army's uniform back to one worn along the lines of Frederick the Great, I am wondering what color he might have had the artillery carriages painted. I know that the standard answer for Russian artillery carriages in the Napoleonic wars is apple green, but wonder if that holds for Tsar Paul's reign as well? Any help or thoughts is appreciated. Terry |
Austin Rob | 28 Jul 2011 8:20 p.m. PST |
I have a Russian book about Suvorov. In all the paintings of Suvorov and the army in Italy, the guns carriages are green. These are paintings usually from the middle 19th century. Another diagram of a gun from 1780 shows red carriages. Not very definitive, but something
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timurilank | 28 Jul 2011 10:59 p.m. PST |
Terry, This site has proved useful for a variety of topics, but here are the artillery colours: link Check "Top Stories" for more subjects. Cheers, Robert |
summerfield | 29 Jul 2011 1:43 a.m. PST |
Dear Terry I have been writing a book on the Russian Artillery for over two years. The scale drawing of the pieces is taking a considerable amount of time and research. Tsar Paul introduced Prussian style guns and carriages. The carriages were green with black metalwork. The exact colour is difficult to explain. It varied from a grass green to a darker shade. It was based upon Verdigris [Copper Acetate] pigment. The link given above is of olive green of the US Artillery post 1840. Before 1795, Russian Ordnance was red with black metalwork. I hope that assists. Scale drawings of the Ordnance are avaiable from me at £5.00 GBP per plate. Stephen |
Deadmen tell lies | 29 Jul 2011 2:20 a.m. PST |
Like this one Terry
Regards James |
summerfield | 29 Jul 2011 2:47 a.m. PST |
Dear James This is an M1805 Light 12-pdr with a carriage constructed post 1812 shown by the two trail spikes positions. The M1795 Tsar Paul was fimilar but more wheel strapping, different cascabel and decorated dolphons etc
The reproduction of the green is rather dark and looking at contemporary models and paintings is lighter. Stephen |
XV Brigada | 29 Jul 2011 6:55 a.m. PST |
This might be nearer to the colour
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summerfield | 29 Jul 2011 8:25 a.m. PST |
Dear William Thanks that is much closer. This is of course a lovely 1:6 Scale model of a M1805 half pud Unicorn made probably in about 1820. I think this is the one that I took at St Petersburg Artillery Museum. I still would love to see the models in the Rotunda in Woolwich again. Alas they are still locked away. Stephen |
Terry37 | 29 Jul 2011 9:57 a.m. PST |
Just some great information! Thank you all very much. It seems that the light apple green" shade is still good for the time of Tsar Paul based on the picture posted by William (XV Brigada) and the comments of Stephen. Again, sincere thanks, Terry |
XV Brigada | 29 Jul 2011 12:51 p.m. PST |
Gentlemen, It is indeed a picture of a model from the website of the St Petersburg museum. I should have credited it. Bill |
14Bore | 29 Jul 2011 2:55 p.m. PST |
I have gone more with James post but suspected all along the XV Brigada's post was the correct color. But after re-painting my whole Prussian Army, I'm going to pretend I did't see this thread, until it bothers me to no end and I re-paint them, or at least start new batterys with right color. |
summerfield | 29 Jul 2011 3:32 p.m. PST |
Dear Skip The colour varied considerably in any case. Dear Bill I was just identifying the model to give it context nothing more. Stephen |
Deadmen tell lies | 29 Jul 2011 11:22 p.m. PST |
Funny how the color changed, the above photo I have had in my file for 2-3 years the other which I posted the other day from the internet definitely a different color "same gun" thanks to Bills post I check my file to note the color discrepancy. Regards James |