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Gattamalata11 Jul 2011 9:19 a.m. PST

Gladiator ( £20.00 GBP ): link

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Written by Barry Hill, Gladiator enables players to recreate the brutal arena combat of the Roman Empire on the wargames table.

This full colour 144 page hardback rulebook contains rules for gladiatorial arena contests featuring human combatants, wild animals, elephants and chariots as well as mass battle spectacles and mock sea battles. Full rules and background are provided for gladiators of both the Imperial and Republican eras, along with ten action-packed scenarios and a detailed campaign system that allows rival gladiatorial schools to compete in several different periods of Roman history.

The Gladiator rulebook is packed with inspirational photography and a detailed hobby section covering collecting, assembling and painting gladiatorial miniatures.

The Gladiator rulebook contains:

Full rules for movement, shooting and combat as well as rules for including wild animals, elephants and chariots in your games.

Rules and background for gladiators of both the Republican and Imperial eras.

A brief history of gladiatorial combat.

Ten action packed scenarios.

Rules for the naumachiae gladiatoral sea battles!

Rules for Roman chariot racing, including the famous chariot race featured in Ben Hur.

A detailed campaign system for developing your fighters, including rules for setting your campaigns during different periods of Roman History.

Inspiring photographs and hobby section for reference when collecting and painting your gladiator miniatures.

Anyone know if these rules based on one of GW's skirmish games or is it original? The stats in the preview pages suggest incompatibility with WAB.frown

altfritz Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 9:28 a.m. PST

Download the reference – it looks like it is at least loosely based upon the LOTR rules.

Gattamalata11 Jul 2011 9:29 a.m. PST

LotR? There goes my interest…

altfritz Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 9:35 a.m. PST

It has added hit locations and while they don't mention Might, one of the stats (CV) might be the equivalent. Don't know though as you can only glean so much from a reference chart.

axabrax Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 9:38 a.m. PST

Looks pretty spiffy to me. The LOTR system is good, and we've used it for all types of variants--Ancients, Samurai, etc.. Considering that Legends of the West and the pirate game were loosely based off the same system, it shouldn't be a surprise that they would do something similar for this.

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 10:01 a.m. PST

LOTR system isn't for everyone – but then no system is. I've played many different gladiator rules sets and really like the latest re-write of Two Hour Wargames rules previously discussed and playtest results posted to TMP.

I'll be happy to hear the writeups once someone plays and submits them, but not sure whether this set of rules will add anything significant that isn't already covered by the many other sets already out there.

JJ

DeanMoto Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 10:01 a.m. PST

Haven't played LOTR, so can't compare, but the book looks nice & I'll see if I can make out the QRS.

madmick Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 10:55 a.m. PST

Don't know how it plays but have received a preview copy. Hardback and glossy, very well put together, lots of well painted figures.
If this is how they will treat any future releases we could be in for some very nice books.

WarWizard11 Jul 2011 11:12 a.m. PST

I did not see this at Historicon. Is it released yet?

Personal logo nazrat Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 11:33 a.m. PST

Most likely available ONLY from GW Historical mail order…

Empgamer Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 12:24 p.m. PST

Better to release this than waste their time on any kind of main ancients rule system or anything like that, all of which is 'coming soon'.

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 12:53 p.m. PST

Hardback and glossy, very well put together, lots of well painted figures.
If this is how they will treat any future releases we could be in for some very nice books.

True. But nice books do not necessarily equate to good rules.

JJ

ScottS11 Jul 2011 2:01 p.m. PST

That's nice.

Now where's Divine Wind/Over the Top/Legion/All of the other books promised over the years?

RelliK11 Jul 2011 2:49 p.m. PST

Uh..dont forget "Successors"…

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 2:50 p.m. PST

My first misrad of the day was : written by Benny Hill.

Oh, if only. Think of the special rules ! Boing !!!!!

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 2:50 p.m. PST

I bet I buy it, I've only got 3 or 4 sets already, one of which is pretty near perfect.

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2011 2:58 p.m. PST

"Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"

Mako1111 Jul 2011 4:27 p.m. PST

Is the new THW set available yet?

Last I recall, someone mentioned availability by the end of May.

I'd like to know how they compare to this set as well.

ScottS11 Jul 2011 4:53 p.m. PST

Uh..dont forget "Successors"…

Damn straight. I wish they'd publish some of the oft-announced, anxiously awaited books before moving into new territory.

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member11 Jul 2011 7:24 p.m. PST

>>> Better to release this than waste their time on any kind of main ancients rule system or anything like that, all of which is 'coming soon'.

Hey, it's just an in-house vanity press now. Leave 'em alone.

Allen

RelliK11 Jul 2011 8:42 p.m. PST

I am sure the Successors are in the works!

Cyclops12 Jul 2011 4:17 a.m. PST

Has anyone actually played them or even read them? Are they any good? If they're anything like Legends of the Old West or Legends of the High Seas then they're probably worth the £20.00 GBP
And can they afford a 'vanity press'? I assume the rules are being printed to make cash, not make some employee happy. Not with those production values anyway.
I'm not a WHA player so may well be missing something here though.

Personal logo Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Jul 2011 7:45 a.m. PST

Is the new THW set available yet?

Last I recall, someone mentioned availability by the end of May.

I'd like to know how they compare to this set as well.

Yes, Red Sand Blue Sky Heroes of the Arena was released in April.

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The questions is how do these rules compare to RSBS which was released first.

Terrement Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2011 11:56 a.m. PST

If they're anything like Legends of the Old West or Legends of the High Seas then they're probably worth the £20.00 GBP GBP

Oh? Maybe to the folks who actually like those systems not discounting them at all but you should recognize there are also many who don't like the underlying mechanisms used in the games at all. Or those who have found and are using a different game / rules system, whatever it may be. Not like this is the first Gladiator rules set.

In those cases, and perhaps others, the £20.00 GBP for some pretty pictures and Wikipedia level history seems more than a bit steep.

Yes, Red Sand Blue Sky Heroes of the Arena was released in April.

Not only released, but discussed here on TMP with examples of a number of different match-ups of one type vs another.

JJ

Cyclops12 Jul 2011 1:32 p.m. PST

Oh? Maybe to the folks who actually like those systems not discounting them at all but you should recognize there are also many who don't like the underlying mechanisms used in the games at all. Or those who have found and are using a different game / rules system, whatever it may be. Not like this is the first Gladiator rules set.

Well, obviously. I'll rephrase-
'If they're anything like Legends of the Old West or Legends of the High Seas then they're probably worth the £20.00 GBP assuming you already like those systems and do not already have a favourite set that you are quite happy with.' Good enough?
And as for the Wikipedia level history, I'll reserve judgement until I've read a review or picked them up myself.
Get out of bed the wrong side today did we?

Trajanus13 Jul 2011 4:24 a.m. PST

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

Well, someone was going to say it!

Der LvR Inactive Member13 Jul 2011 6:32 a.m. PST

I hope to be. I've just placed my order.

Personal logo nazrat Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2011 10:03 a.m. PST

"Get out of bed the wrong side today did we?"

From what I have seen he's that way every day…

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member13 Jul 2011 4:54 p.m. PST

"And as for the Wikipedia level history, I'll reserve judgement until I've read a review or picked them up myself."

No need. The knowledge base for LOTOW revealed its shortcomings long before it was published. Not even up to Wiki standard. The "Old West" clearly was not an A-level subject in Blighty. That didn't stop the author from jumping the queue long before WHW had slammed the door on the original flagship rules.

Allen

Saxondog13 Jul 2011 6:21 p.m. PST

I love gladiator games. I have six or eight rule sets from various publishers. I also like the LOTR rules. The LOTOW is not bad. I don't think they would work for a man to man fight in any way. I'm definite on looking elsewhere before I'll pay that price for a set I have such doubts about. I'll stick to "Motituri Te Salutant" now by Black Hat. Red Sand also looks pretty decent, that's a second choice.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop15 Jul 2011 9:20 a.m. PST

'The "Old West" clearly was not an A-level subject in Blighty.'

No indeed. Those of us who grew up on Ladybird Books & Look & Learn magazine were fully educated in the same misinformed history being fed to Yanks of the same generation, however. I'm now reading up the revisionism.

GLADIATOR is more skirmishy than Lotow – hit location rules for example

MagpieGamer Inactive Member15 Jul 2011 9:50 a.m. PST

I've got my copy and put a quick review on my web site:

link

UK John Inactive Member19 Jul 2011 11:30 a.m. PST

Those who are about to play salute you…….

custard pie Inactive Member01 Jun 2012 1:35 a.m. PST

As for the wiki comment. Clearly the guy happens to be a bit of a jerk. Would help if he had seen the rules before shooting off his mouth. H just showed himself up. The historical background is extremly sound. Where it condradicts wiki is where wiki is wrong. Some of the historical detail may seem wrong if your using some of the old text books but this happens to be because it was produced with some of the most up to date sources though there are a few errors.

big john Inactive Member13 Sep 2012 3:08 p.m. PST

reply to magpie gamer i think the shooting priority rules should be side with priority shoots bows then other side shoots bows.
side with priority shoots jav/darts then other side shoots
then again its just my personal opinion

Personal logo redmist1122 Supporting Member of TMP24 Oct 2014 7:51 p.m. PST

Are these rules still available? If so by whom?

Thanks.

P.

WillieB Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2014 1:33 a.m. PST

It's a very nicely produced book with nice glossy pictures.
The 'historical' part of the title is a bit misleading as there are quite a few errors in that area.

The game itself is more of a dice -rolling contest than a combat system. Alas.
Wish I could be more positive. I bought it years ago and after a few try outs it's sitting there on a shelf looking pretty.

I have high hopes for Blood On The Sands, but of course they have to be released first.

Personal logo redmist1122 Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2014 7:35 a.m. PST

WillieB,
Thanks for the insight. I saw a post on LAF about Blood on the Sands, that game systems looks really cool. But, farther into the posts, I beleiev the backer, well backe out to get them published.

Thanks.

P.

Frankfurt28 Oct 2014 3:44 a.m. PST

Thanks WillieB for the mention.

redmist1122 – I'm not backing out, it's just that I've hit a bit of a snag.

I am still committed at publishing Blood on the Sands some how in the future – I've invested too much time to let it go!

LeonAdler Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Oct 2014 9:32 p.m. PST

Did I just see the words 'historical' and Warhammer in the same sentence?
L

Personal logo redmist1122 Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2014 7:52 p.m. PST

Frankfurt,
Ok, must have mis read the multiple posts. Thats good, Iwas definitly impresssed with the presentation you had on LAF and got me excited about playing a Gladiator game/skirmish. Looking forward to the completion…until then I'm still curious about the Warhammer version too.

P.

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