"Roman Trireme" Topic
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09 Jul 2011 2:26 p.m. PST by Editor in Chief Bill
- Changed title from "Roman Trirreme" to "Roman Trireme"
09 Jul 2011 2:27 p.m. PST by Editor in Chief Bill
- Removed from Ancients Discussion board
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Tango01 | 09 Jul 2011 12:11 p.m. PST |
This is a beautiful and very good job.
Main page link Hope you enjoy!. Amicalement Armand |
Andrew Walters | 09 Jul 2011 12:22 p.m. PST |
Ay Carumba, everything is amazing. The ship, the water, the poses, the shield emblems, astounding. |
GildasFacit | 10 Jul 2011 4:22 a.m. PST |
Wonderful modelling but it is not, technically speaking, a Trireme as it has only two oar banks and the marines should be armed with lighter javelins, not pila. |
MajorB | 10 Jul 2011 10:35 a.m. PST |
but it is not, technically speaking, a Trireme as it has only two oar banks I thought the lastest interpretation of Trireme was that it meant that every oar had three rowers, rather than that there were three banks of oars? |
RockyRusso | 10 Jul 2011 11:45 a.m. PST |
Hi Actually, both existed, but not in this period. Much much later, in the medieval and renaissance period, it usually referred to the number of rowers on a single oar. In this period, there are two bank and 3 bank ships. AND a quin is thought to be "1-2-2" on three banks. Rocky |
GildasFacit | 11 Jul 2011 7:43 a.m. PST |
A Trireme or 3 has 3 men per set of oars (or room). During the ancient period, as far as we can tell, the only practical arrangement used was 3 men at 3 separate oars. Later, possibly starting in Byzantium, 3's with 2 banks of oars seem to have existed manned 2 & 1. Even later still Italian galleys with 3 men at one oar were built and copied by other nations. Technically all these are 3's. |
tadamson | 11 Jul 2011 3:39 p.m. PST |
There is pretty good evidence that Imperial 3's in the river fleets had two banks of oars. By this stage the blue water fleets were 4's and 5's with the odd 6 or 8 as a flagship and some 3's as cruisers. But the total lack of opponents saw the fleets stay very small. |
GildasFacit | 12 Jul 2011 3:41 a.m. PST |
Tadamson The problem here is with terminology. By Imperial times the epithet 'trireme' had come to mean almost any smaller naval vessel with more than a single oar bank and it can be difficult to be sure exactly what arrangement of oars was used in vessels referred to in texts. What is fairly clear is that most representations from the time of Roman vessels of this size have only 2 banks of oars. Vessels from other parts still had 3. It is also fairly clear that the two sets of oars were similar in size, which would indicate that they are both pulled by the same number of oarsmen. Oars pulled by 2 men need to be longer than those pulled by one and the vessels need to have greater beam to accomodate this. While there is very little concrete evidence confirming either view I think that the described characteristics of the imperial roman 'cruisers' make it clear that they were fast and maneouvrable – which better fits a '2' than a '3' with a 2-1 oar arrangement. |
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