"Who Really Invented the Bricole?" Topic

Wait, we have the power to answer this question once and for all -- let's have a poll!

Alien technology
Jean-Baptiste Vaquette de Gribeauval
La Patisserie sur la rue de Gribeauval
The Prussians
Ramses III
Emanuel Swedenborg
Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington
I never ate a continental pastry
I don't bricole

Other nominations?

M. Alphonse Bricole
Herr Alfons Bricole
Mr Alfie Bricole
Senor Alfonso Bricole

Dave Kiley
Kevin Hollins

Australian Time Travellers

The dinosaurs – with those little hands it's hard to carry all that meat around after a brontosaurus kill. The bricolosaurus evolved to peform cartage functions for the other dinosaurs. Some dinosaurs in the Jurassic claimed they invented the bricolosaurus before those upstarts in the Cretaceous – if you study the original fossils and scat markings in the original, and not in collections in Brixton, you'll see it was actually the Prussosaurus, named after the village of Brxjrkzhtkowitz where the find was made by, get this, a local cabbage artist, a Herr Gribeauvalmann.

…though the Russians dispute the occupation of Herr Gribeauvalman despite secondary sources and programs showing his Berlin opening of the 'Coleslaw Retrospective'. Russians believe, since the village of Brxjrkzhtkowitz now lies in Southern Moldova (don't ask), and renamed Bobgrad, that Herr Gribeauvalmann was actually Gospodin Griebe – a famous mushroom wrangler and trainer – hence would never recognize a bricole as he would have no use for one in his occupation – mushrooms being fairly easy to move around. The Prussians claim how can he be involved with both mushrooms and cabbage – the two are completely unrelated fields. He must have come across the mushroom in his many expeditions to the cabbage patch and that he mentions it in "Journals of a Cabbage Wrangler [incorrectly translated – should be Manipulator] does not prove he had anything to do with mushrooms or their movements. The controversy continues.

Did I miss something…a bricole is a piece of rope right? So, who invented rope?

Mr Rope

No, Mz. Hemp

Algore 2000

The Dutch, we've always used them to pull canal boats.

I heard they were based on a traditional Irish game of strength…

A sadler from Esher by the name of Brian Cole, hence the name Bricole.

I can see this thread getting verrrrry serious, but before it does.

La Patisserie sur la rue de Gribeauval

There is no patisserie on the Rue de Gribeauval. It's a very short street off the Boulevard St. Germain, and interestingly (or not), Parisian streets named after people usually have a legend on the street nameplate saying what the person did/was famous for. Comme ca picture

Rue de Gribeauval? link non. So even the French don't know what his profession was.

A few years ago Indiana Jones discoverd what many 'experts' believe was the protoype bricole in the remains of a midden during a dig in darkest Bongolesia. This interpretation of the finds has been challenged by a number of academics – all of whom are now banned from entering that fine country.

Connard_Sarge-

Do you mean to tell us that this absurd argument that has hijacked the TMP Napoleonic Discussion forum was in fact started by suspected Victorian pedophile JM Barrie?

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Figures.

The Peter Pan figure is incidental, but somewhat appropriate. A boy who never grows up…

Not my Flckr account BTW. I Googled 'Rue de Gribeauval nameplate', that was the first thing that popped up.

…and there's no 'R' in 'Sage' ;)

The reference to Barrie's supposed prediliction is fairly apposite too. Debate on its merits being as much a tradition on TMP as that on the origins of the gun pully thingies.

Perhaps M. Gribeauval would donate his symbol as the new logo for TMP?

The Prussians claim how can he be involved with both mushrooms and cabbage – the two are completely unrelated fields.

I've seen mushrooms and cabbage in the same field, you're obviously relying on secondary sources. So therefore you're wrong

I win! Ha!

nurse…

never Sarge Connard Sage? it should be made into a TMP icon

*squints*

eh?

Do we speak of the French Bricole, an excellent breakfast; the Russian Bricole (a heavy bready thing only fit for eating with Borchst (Sp)); or the Austro-Hungarian Bricole (slathered in apricot and chocolate, but more a fluffy pastry than the French spongey cakey texture).

It has been rumoured that the bricole was brought to europe by the Mongols, but Mongol bricoles were more a form of unleavened bread.

It may be significant that the Prophet declared the bricole to be haraam, which explains why a version soused in nuts and honey is not to be found in the Middle East.

Or the American version, dipped in milk/egg mixture, seasoned with cinnamon, sugar?

I prefer the cereal: Sugar Frosted Bricoles.

14Bore

You left out fried in transfats and salt!

Connard – If you would take the time to read in the original Indo-Albanian primary sources available in the bike shed behind the Jubilee Tin of biscuits in front of the used sandpaper you would realize that Herr Gribeauvalmann mentions nothing about "fields" [szylskz] but does mention "small cultivated areas" [szylskzinskz] the two are completely different concepts that I doubt anyone that does not have the time to truly subsume their entire existence to bricology would fail to recognize.

Ah but your post did not distinguish szylskz from szylskzinskz. Therefore because I am an erudite person who can talk foreign (brassica), and who cultivates my own champignons (indeed I have primary sauces), I win again.

Ha! Ha!

Dear brucka,

I am sure you yourself clearly see the key problem with the sources, but others might need some explanation, if I may be allowed ….

The use of the quasi-vowel transcribed as "szy" but more accurately "☞☢Ω" in the source-text alphabet clearly indicates that Herr Gribeauvalmann was working with a derivative or secondary source in the courtly or juridical Indo-Albanian A.

If he had true original source information, it would be only in archival Indo-Albanian B, a gnostic language spoken only by 2 rather in-bred families with hereditaty responsibility for collecting used pieces of rope from all over Indo-Albania.

In this case the quasi-vowel would be in "☞☢Ωьь" in the source-alphabet, with US Library of Congress English transliteration "szyxx" and British National Library transliteration "rabbit-faced-twit" (one notes the small difference between British and American English).

Clearly were are looking at a example of sloppy documentation, secondary sources pased off as primary, inauthentic information, academic dishonesty, grotesque nationalist bias and possibly poor table manners.

How anyone could consider Herr Gribeauvalmann a competent source on this topic remains a mystery.

Amicalement.

I stand by my earlier definitive assertion that because I read a lot in the original sources (does not matter which ones, by the way) I can make up anything I darn well please. If one studies original stella on some Isle near Orkney – you will see Neolithic man and his Yak pulling the same Stella (the Early Escherman period) using a bricole. So it is no leap of the imagination to assume that Gribeauvalmann on the Eve of St.Kohl visited the island to study these stella and realized they matched his dinosaur find.

oh, it was in "Kohlrabbi for fun and profit, as well as some interesting dinosaur finds in East South East Prussia" by Gribeauvalmann's nephew – Frank.

A-ha …. I see that you, dear brucka, are one of the ever-cogent structural-functionalist proponents of the Orkney-Escherman Theory.

I must admit that I have failed in persuading your kind before – you will never admit your errors, even if I drop one your beloved stella on your foot (tried that in the Great Bricole Debate of 1983 – before the internet, we wrote posts on large rocks and pushed them back and forth – it was all a little slow, especialy the part between Greenland and Canada).

Well, I see I have met my match.

Amicalement.

Neolithic bricoles – hmmmm interesting.

Did they sweeten them with honey or beet sugar?

Doctor Who invented the bricole, in several countries and time periods simultaneously, from the Neolithic to the French Revolution.

It will be invented again, many times.

Why is this thread making more sense than all the others related to this topic?

Sotnik here is a French site about the petite bricole super utile! It all makes sense now.

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Dear LWF,

Those little quad things are great!

Last autumn I did a little touring by off-road motorcycyle in the Kavkaz. The mechanic/security/guys-who-made-dinner rode those things – with little towed carts on a couple of them.

Our bikes (Hondas – correctly prepped, I might add) were not nearly as rugged as those quads, and only a little faster and easier to jump.

-- bricole -- super utile indeed!

Amicalement.

from the link:Here is my latest invention to bricolι on my quad, I myself am made a carriage I slip under my quad me pernettant of the moved in my garage until the pieces!

This also allows me cleaning wash perfectly in depth in the lower corner, such as Earth trapped behind platelets of brakes etc…
to do this I needed 4 directional wheels (wheels of supermarket cart type) the I had in stock!

2 profiles rectangular 60 x 30 length 0.5 m; 2 profiles square 30 x 30 Lg 0.65; 2 pieces of wood 135 x 60 height final depends on the height of the wheels and the height of the pieces of wood! and of course height one wants to obtain that the quad affects more land with these wheels!

And now I promene my quad in my garage as I veu, and even do rolled on-site!
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I also was in the Caucauses in Winter of 09-10 (for New Year's), you must have beaten me to the Sarmation Golden Idol shaped reputedly like a bricole four wheeler. Curses, visiting in-laws distracted me! There goes the promise of a grant from the Nigerian On-line University!
[Though a few years ago I had an interesting invite to go wild boar hunting with the FSB – wife crushed that idea – not because of the use of automatic weapons but the lubricant they usually use prior to firing].

As for sweeteners in the Neolithic- I'm not sure bees had been invented by the French yet – or as some would have it – trained at least to move along different routes to mass at the beehive. They had to use amber instead.

I am astonished that you are siding with Vanity Sage. It's a good job my hearthrob does not resort to personal attacks and does not try and provoke the situation. We are all perfect any you are all wrong, and it is sad that you feel that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
Our side never results to calling you bunch of besthards rude names or insulting you ignorant fools.

And I'd just like to say I will not post on this topic again. Unless of course someone else posts then I can say it's their fault for provoking me to post, and they obviously cannot just move on. I will only be posting because they had to. I don't have to have the last word, and I definitely am able to just ignore comments…honest.,

I'd also buy you a pint if I saw you in a pub.

Connard, hmm perhaps Peter Pan whispered the secret to someone at la patisserie, or to M. Gribeauval hisself.

Mr. Rope or Mz. Hemp could not possibly have been the inventor you dullards. It's not just a rope. It's a rope with a hook!

Now, Capt. Chas. Cook might well have invented it. It's quite plausible that he had a spare hook attached to a rope tied round his waist, and fortuitously discovered that this wasn't just a fashion statement, but a utility, and quite handy for moving the furniture on the gun deck. Master Pan revealed this trade secret to one of the Gribeauvals.

"And I'd just like to say I will not post on this topic again. Unless of course someone else posts then I can say it's their fault for provoking me to post, and they obviously cannot just move on. I will only be posting because they had to. I don't have to have the last word, and I definitely am able to just ignore comments…honest.,"

Too Right! Sotnik and badwargamer are my mates, and I'll defend them regardless of how wrong they and their facts are or how asinine they may act, 'cause their* my mates. Apparently, some of you don't understand the concept of defending your mates?

Furthermore, no matter how badly I've calloused my index finger from hitting the complaint button against you, or how many threads I've started in the hopes of getting you banned, I will not be held responsible in any way for your account being locked! If you can't understand that, well then your* just whinging! (?)

Seriously, I just don't see how poor old Bill allows all this!

I fall into the "I can't believe it's not butter!" camp. Any whining about unproven health claims of butter substitutes obviously proves that you have no understanding about posting on topics daring to defend mates against justified claims that they have never read primary sources. Though you will be brought down with all sorts of poxy diseases for your unbelievable ignorant opinions about bricoles as well as butter substitutes I would still have no problem buying you a bag of mixed nuts or stale crisps/chips at the bar. No hard feelings at all as we are all just sharing my facts and your opinions – and I will continue to post on this topic and any topic about livestock or dollhouses that dares challenge my excellence in writing, publishing and research. I give myself a 10 out of 10 for my erudite views.

Ah yes, now it all becomes clear:

Bricole = rope with hook = Captain Hook = Peter Pan = street sign for Rue Gribeauval = Gribeauval.

Thus bricole = Gribeauval.

Sharpe?
Do I win a prize??

I think Arteis has solved it!

If you rearrange the letters in 'Gribeuval Bricole' you get Biblical argue over. Which explains a lot.

Don't give up the day jobs!

Bricole is merely French for a harness.

He is a reconstruction of Gribeauval's personal bricole at:

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Bill

Bricole is also French for a small trifling thing…

A small trifling thing? That would be a trifle, then.
Nice to see this thread hasn't attracted the usual suspects.

I throw out all my research and burn it in a pyre – Arteis certainly seems to have sussed it. [Though what's missing from his research is a year -though doubt that oversight will cause any contention]. And nicely done 'badwargamer'!