Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2011 4:21 p.m. PST |
Well I certainly hadn't. And I usually think up a lot of weird stuff. But look at this discussion here: link So, what if Battlestar Galactica and the other humans fleeing the Cylons reach Earth-controlled space around 2063–2064? Who would prevail? - Cylons vs Chigs and AIs - Battlestar Galactica vs USS Saratoga - Colonials vs Marines What do you think of that concept? - Would you play it as just a space war? - As a ground war with miniatures (and which figures)? - Or as a space-ground combination? Dan TMP link TMP link link |
Gunner Dunbar | 21 Apr 2011 4:56 p.m. PST |
pretty interesting idea, space ground combo, start as full thrust, then an appropriate 15mm skirmish game. |
Mako11 | 21 Apr 2011 5:25 p.m. PST |
Not a bad idea, but appears to me the Galactica may have more fighters, and firepower, including nuke-tipped rockets. |
Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2011 5:45 p.m. PST |
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Ironwolf | 21 Apr 2011 10:16 p.m. PST |
"The Saratoga belongs to a class of 12 spaceborne carrier vessels which, besides the German / British "Vampire"-Class ships, carry most of Earth's fighter wings. They are armed with heavy offensive weapons giving them almost the same firepower as the "Red October"-Class of the Russian Cosmos Fleet or the British / German "Defiant"-Class Dreadnoughts." Now if only the tv show would have focused more on this instead of making the pilots be infantry/special forces/what ever the script wants them to be this week. It would have lasted longer than one season.
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Warbeads | 22 Apr 2011 3:03 a.m. PST |
S:AAB = what, please? Gracias, Glenn |
ThorLongus | 22 Apr 2011 3:43 a.m. PST |
space above and beyond
methinks having never seen it |
Irish Marine | 22 Apr 2011 5:10 a.m. PST |
One of the best shows ever. |
Warbeads | 22 Apr 2011 5:40 a.m. PST |
You been hitting the logic gas again, Ironwolf? I never saw the show but maybe I'll try and catch bits on YouTube
Sounds interesting. Sure COIN troops make great pilots or sub drivers type logic always fascinates me
the car wreck of TV/Movie ideas type fascination. Gracias, Glenn |
Cacique Caribe | 22 Apr 2011 6:50 a.m. PST |
Sorry Glenn! I started with a title that spelled out the names of both tv series, but kept running out of space. Dan |
Parzival | 22 Apr 2011 8:23 a.m. PST |
Not a bad idea, but appears to me the Galactica may have more fighters, and firepower, including nuke-tipped rockets. Nope, gotta go with the Saratoga on that one. The S:AAB forces have what we have, upgraded by seventy years (give or take). So they have nuke-tipped rockets, if they want them. (Though really, "nukes" in space are only a big deal if there is direct impact. Otherwise you're just putting out radiation and thermal energy; there is nothing to carry the shockwave that is so devastating in an atmosphere.) The real ability of a weapon is it's ability to transfer large amounts of energy to a target; at the tech levels of BSG and S:AAB, that's limited to bullets and direct-impact missiles. (Neither show evidences the use of lasers to apply heat energy.) The Saratoga is equipped with a massive rail cannon as well as other planetary bombardment capabilities. I don't think the Galactica possesses anything similar; mainly just point defense weapons. Also, the Vipers and Cylons only have forward-firing weapons; the Hammerhead is equipped with a rear-mounted, computer-targeted turret as well as guided missiles. It way outguns the BSG fighters of both factions. The Earth forces are also presumably not vulnerable to the Cylon's hacking capabilities. Not to mention Earth has the USMC. Game over, man. |
Seamus | 22 Apr 2011 9:35 a.m. PST |
"Now if only the tv show would have focused more on this instead of making the pilots be infantry/special forces/what ever the script wants them to be this week. It would have lasted longer than one season." -Ironwolf That isn't what killed the show. It would have lasted longer than one season if it hadn't been handed to FOX. |
Lion in the Stars | 22 Apr 2011 10:16 a.m. PST |
To be honest, 'Aviation Commandos' make some sense in space, assuming that trained personnel are expensive. I will ignore the idea of fighters on deep-space patrols, but fighters make sense in the orbitals and in atmosphere. Zero-gee maneuvering inside the ship is the same as zero-gee maneuvering on that asteroid, and the crew is going to have weapons training. That makes them *effectively* ground forces as well, since there's no retreat on a rock 5km in diameter! There was another show that used the fighter-pilots-as-grunts concept, Pensacola Wings of Gold. It lasted 3 seasons, because it wasn't scifi. I swear they even recycled a few of the S:AAB scripts! ===== I would also have to give the advantage to S:AAB. Better firepower, and (apparently) computers that were designed by professional paranoids from a security standpoint, since the AIs couldn't hack the systems. And Smart Grenades! |
evilmike | 22 Apr 2011 1:15 p.m. PST |
S:AAB also had R.Lee Ermey. Discussion is now over. |
PaddySinclair | 22 Apr 2011 5:13 p.m. PST |
Capital ship wise, I'd hand it to the Galactica. We've seen it take an absolute pounding and survive (including direct hits from nukes
). As to weaponary, it's crawling with point defence weapons, it's anti-ship weaponary isn't exactly lacking either, and it comes from a background in which capital ships do go toe-to-toe whereas there was no real evidence for that in SAAB. However, the one that does it for me is that we have seen the Galactica make tactical FTL jumps and this isn't an option in the SAAB background. Fighterwise, wouldn't really want to call it. The Hammerheads are bigger and tougher with better weapon coverage, but that does make them bigger targets and Starbuck is fraking insane. Whilst the tech level of BSG looks to be about the same, this is a society that has had practical space flight for several thousand years. |
Parzival | 22 Apr 2011 5:51 p.m. PST |
However, the one that does it for me is that we have seen the Galactica make tactical FTL jumps and this isn't an option in the SAAB background. SAAB has FTL, so I'm not certain what your point is here. As for the Saratoga, it certainly takes its own share of pounding, so I still say the ships are at least equivalent. OOO— I just found this: picture And this: link So the Saratoga carries a vastly superior fighter/bomber force (more than double the Galactica's complement), but less general armament. However, I was wrong in my earlier assessment— the Saratoga has laser-based weapons as well as multiple missile systems. Gotta go with the Saratoga, still. |
Katzbalger | 22 Apr 2011 7:28 p.m. PST |
SAAB wins--they have an actual functional military (you know, folks that can plan more than 3 minutes in advance, can issue and follow orders, and don't try to stab each other in the back every chance they get). |
Brad Jenison | 23 Apr 2011 2:53 p.m. PST |
I would have to give the edge in a conflict to S:AAB. For one thing even if the Rag Tag fleet got to earth intact it would have only 2 Battlestars. Since Pegasus was destroyed at New Caprica. The S:AAB fleet has several of the Kennedy class carriers so the Hammerheads would vastly outnumber the Vipers, so eventually they would clear the sky of Vipers. Even discounting the air wings, each of the Kennedy class has a massive rail gun as its primary shore bombardment weapon. A single hit from one of these would have to be as damaging as a hit from the Battlestar main armament. Add to the battle the fact that the Earth fleet has dedicated gun battleships and other lighter vessels and the Colonials would simply be overwhelmed. Given the fact that Helena Cain is long dead by the time the Colonists find even New Caprica and the fact that there is no mention of the fact that the Colonial Fleet had anything on its mind but escape and sanctuary. I believe the scenario would have been more of a thank the gods we found you. Let us warn you about the anti human threat posed by these Cylons who have been pursuing us. We both have much to offer the other let us combine our efforts to ensure survival of the human race. I was a fan of both series; I am also a fan of the Battlestar Prometheus series. I believe Earth with its better computers, huge manufacturing base and existant fleet with the chance at upgrading to FTL technology would stand the two societies in great stead against the Chigs, or the Cylons. |