Space Monkey | 01 Apr 2011 1:49 p.m. PST |
If he lived near me I'd offer to go pay him a visit for you
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ttauri | 01 Apr 2011 1:57 p.m. PST |
Surely with delivery confirmation and insurance either it shows as not received and you can claim the insurance or it was received and paypal owe you the money under ebay buyer protection? It would seem as if either your carrier or ebay/paypal owe you the money? Have you gone through ebay and paypal's buyer protection system? |
Skrapwelder | 01 Apr 2011 2:33 p.m. PST |
Call the local police force for the buyer's location and see if you have any options there. |
redmist1122 | 01 Apr 2011 2:55 p.m. PST |
I do a lot of e-bay & PayPal transactions
I learned from my wife, a banker, to wait until PayPal has actually received and confirmed your deposit, and then wait for the transfer fom PayPal to your checking account before sending items out. That takes a big 2 days. I wait for actual deposit into my bank acount before mailing anything out
this will prevent issues of payment not received before shipping. As mentioned already check with the Post Office for mail fraud
good luck. P. |
Ed Mohrmann | 01 Apr 2011 3:49 p.m. PST |
Never sold anything on PP, and am about to stop buying using PP. |
Grunt1861 | 01 Apr 2011 4:15 p.m. PST |
That's good advice Redmist. I have a handling time of four days listed on my eBay listings. I usually use at least three. When I send the buyer his invoice it states "no ship till payment clears". EBay can kiss my you know what with their 5 star Feedback. I'll take that over getting burned any day. |
Dynaman8789 | 01 Apr 2011 4:52 p.m. PST |
Even if he had his bank refuse the charges the bank has to investigate – it should not just take the funds away the day the complaint is filed – something fishy is going on. Don't know what kind of recourse you have though. |
Mako11 | 01 Apr 2011 5:25 p.m. PST |
I'd check to see if you can sue Paypal in your local Small Claims court over this incident, and their policies. Talking to the news media might get some help as well, especially if you let Paypal know in advance that you may do that. Shedding light on bad policies has a good chance of getting things changed, especially when they are ridiculous. |
(I am Spam) | 01 Apr 2011 5:41 p.m. PST |
Check this site on internet fraud link |
Paintbeast | 01 Apr 2011 6:12 p.m. PST |
Had this happen once
I contacted the buyer and he was mortified. I had a Money Order for the full amount by the end of the week. Talk to the buyer first. If that doesn't work out well inform them that you are going to be following up with their bank, local law enforcement and the local post master in order to recover the funds or the item. make sure they understand that one way or another they are about to pay for the item you sent. Give them a couple days for it to sink in and then follow through. If you manage to talk to their bank you won't be able to get any information and most people feel like this is a stone wall
it isn't. Just because they can't tell you anything doesn't stop you giving them information. Be sure to point out that that there could be a pattern of fraudulent behavior and that if such exists it would be in the bank's best interest to alert the state comptroller. |
Jovian1 | 01 Apr 2011 7:04 p.m. PST |
How about a wire fraud complaint against PayPal and the buyer with the US Postal Inspector? |
M C MonkeyDew | 02 Apr 2011 6:13 a.m. PST |
Other issues aside USPS delivery confirmation is next to worthless. Over the years have had at least four packages "confirmed" delivered at my address and they simply weren't. All that is required is for the postie to scan the item before he/she leaves it anywhere. Two of the four a filler postie delivered it to a similar address and when the regular postie tried to follow up the residents denied having received anything. Who knows what happened the other times. Mind you giving the vast amounts of miniatures and etc. that have successfully been delivered here over the years the failure rate is not too bad but not as good as USP or FedEx. Bottom line is if shipping something important make sure you need a signature for USPS to leave it. |
Mikhail Lerementov | 02 Apr 2011 7:54 a.m. PST |
If you sent the item insured the recipient or his agent signed a slip to get it. It should be on file at the Post Office of the recipient. Call them and explain why you need proof of the delivery. Now if you took the minimum insurance of $25.00 USD then he didn't have to sign for it but I'm assuming you insured it for the actual value. |
OldFoggy | 02 Apr 2011 3:14 p.m. PST |
As regards PayPal, you should only have a 350.00 deficit balance if you removed the $350.00 USD from your account before the debit hit. 350.00-350.00=0, not -350.00. If this isn't the case, you need to get with PayPal. |
Rudysnelson | 03 Apr 2011 6:46 a.m. PST |
This is nothing new. I have had a customer or two decline the transaction either after the product was delivered or while it was in route. That is between you and the buyer and has nothing to do with the Ebay or paypal company. I even had one guy try to bid again after he did that stunt once. I declined his bid according to ebay ruls. If you withdrew the $350 USD to your bank before he cancelled transactions, then yes YOU do owe paypal the $350. USD This is why I left all of my transactions in the account for several extra weeks before withdrawing it. I rarely do ebay now and I have a pretty high transaction count even though most of my sales are to repeat customers. It is because of the high fees in the past. I may sale again now that under my understanding you now only pay for the items that sale. regardless i would still be upset over having to pay the shipping and lost product but that is with him. I would try to get my listing and closing costs back from ebay and the transaction costs from paypal. Worth a shot. |
Mikhail Lerementov | 03 Apr 2011 4:30 p.m. PST |
Jovian 1 has a good idea. Contact the Postal Inspection Service and file a complaint. The amount you are out is no small potatoes and that is what they are there for. |