Cacique Caribe | 15 Mar 2011 9:34 a.m. PST |
Aside from gatlin guns, would six shooters and rifles from the late 1800s be effective against aliens like the seemingly hard-shelled geigeresque Xenomorphs in the films? Dan link |
M C MonkeyDew | 15 Mar 2011 9:36 a.m. PST |
If it bleeds you can kill it. Buffalo guns would certainly work as would any big game rifle. Military grade rifles would also work. Winchesters and pistols
you would probably need a very lucky shot. |
Cacique Caribe | 15 Mar 2011 9:42 a.m. PST |
"If it bleeds you can kill it." LOL. That statement somehow reminds me of the milking cat quote from "Meet The Parents". Dan |
Pictors Studio | 15 Mar 2011 9:46 a.m. PST |
I'd guess that unless they had some sort of technology to prevent it then it would certainly kill them. Of course we have the technology to stop bullets killing people some of the time, via tanks, bullet proof vests and on and on so if they had more advanced tech than that, then maybe not. |
Sloppypainter | 15 Mar 2011 10:07 a.m. PST |
Gotta get close with a revolver. All that acid/blood splash would be pretty nasty. Seems like one or two people with shootin' irons might hurt an alien, but stop it -- nope. Need lots of fellas shooting all at once to kill one o' them varmits. Punchin' holes in an alien is one thing -- killin it is somethin' else. Then again
there's always dynamite! |
ThorLongus | 15 Mar 2011 10:10 a.m. PST |
@ CC did you see this movie? link pretty cool aliens dynamite worked best |
Rudysnelson | 15 Mar 2011 10:28 a.m. PST |
The size of the Old West rounds were very large. A lot depends on defensive screen tech. |
Cacique Caribe | 15 Mar 2011 11:34 a.m. PST |
I guess that the acid splash would definitely create a problem, even if you were trying to make a fast getaway on horse: link link And this lone guy would be toast, right? link Dan |
Porkmann | 15 Mar 2011 12:24 p.m. PST |
Solid slugs from shotguns. Watch out for acid splatter. |
Lion in the Stars | 15 Mar 2011 12:47 p.m. PST |
The old Colt Walker would be generally better than most of the rounds, it's comparable to a .44 magnum. As long as you're talking the full-size Colt .45 Peacemaker, or a .44-40 like the Winchester lever-actions, you should do pretty well. A Sharps or other buffalo rifle would make a mockery of any bug (and a lot of modern body armor
too much mass) |
blackscribe | 15 Mar 2011 12:55 p.m. PST |
Yep. Projectiles kill them. Old guns fire projectiles. |
Toaster | 15 Mar 2011 1:52 p.m. PST |
Your biggest worry is rate of fire, bugs move fast and if you miss the first shot you can't spray and pray. Robert |
RockyRusso | 15 Mar 2011 2:02 p.m. PST |
Hi A simple test for you, if a modern 9mm will work then anything from 36 cal on up would work the same way! or better. 44-40 exceeds 44 special in performance, or .40 calibre, again, you decide. 44-40 out of a rifle is moving at 44 magnum velocities. 44-40 in a winchester can give you about 240 rpm. Every time you shoot a "0-0" 12 guage buck shot round out of a shot gun, you put 9 30 caliber rounds down range. I have seen 45/70 go through a V8 engine block, and both sides of the car it is in. You decide. Now, all this is predicated on period loads, not the modern equivalents. Rocky |
Ghostrunner | 15 Mar 2011 2:29 p.m. PST |
Earlier poster had it right, though
ROF is a big issue. If you've got the presense of mind to line up that ONE shot with your lever-action rifle, you might take a Xenomorph down. Miss
and well, congratulations and welcome to the family, so to speak
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DyeHard | 15 Mar 2011 4:28 p.m. PST |
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Grand Duke Natokina | 15 Mar 2011 7:58 p.m. PST |
You mite want to use jacketed ball rounds to pierce such Aliens. A soft lead ball mite not do the trick unless big caliber and close range. Weaselhoffen. |
Cacique Caribe | 16 Mar 2011 8:24 a.m. PST |
"Jacketed ball rounds"? Dan |
Lion in the Stars | 16 Mar 2011 10:16 a.m. PST |
Considering the smallest common-use wad of lead in the 1870s was a .32 cal (ie, 8mm), should not be much of a problem. Some of the military .45-70 loads are throwing an ounce of lead at 1600fps, about a third faster than a 12-gauge slug. All through a Trapdoor Springfield, which is not the strongest action in the world. A buffalo rifle would do utterly unholy things to a bug. I didn't think there were many jacket rounds in use until after 1890 or so? |
Cacique Caribe | 16 Mar 2011 10:49 a.m. PST |
Wow. That sounds like it would be fun then! Dan |
RockyRusso | 16 Mar 2011 11:35 a.m. PST |
Hi In movies, they love having to shoot everything 99 times to add up enough to get a kill. In the real world, not so much. Automatic weapons don't usually put more hits on target, but might make it easier for a bad shooter to get a lucky hit! Rocky |
Thieses | 16 Mar 2011 12:55 p.m. PST |
This sounds like a very cool game. Bullets most definitely do kill Aliens. In "Aliens" Vasquez kills one in the air ducts with her pistol. (It was right on top of her so she got acid burns) As mentioned above, rifles will blow them to pieces. (Even old west rifles.) However, Aliens are very very fast and ridiculously difficult to hit. :) |
Grand Duke Natokina | 22 Mar 2011 4:14 p.m. PST |
Of course there is the Bert Gummer solution. Have the bullets hand cast in solid bronze. Weaselhoffen. |
28mmMan | 22 Mar 2011 6:54 p.m. PST |
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RockyRusso | 23 Mar 2011 11:19 a.m. PST |
Hi When I saw the trailer to "Quigley" I winced. It started with a side view of Selling shooting a Sharpees Business rifle just like mine with the same tang sight. Mine "bites" me in the web of the thumb on recoil! But the bullet is the size of your thumb, and I have seen what even raw lead does to seemingly hard targets. Rocky |
SeattleGamer | 23 Mar 2011 5:29 p.m. PST |
I think many old west weapons would do fine. And some would do great. Yes, the critters move fast. Yes they have a form of body armor. But any critter has weak points. And unlike a random sampling of 20 people walking down the streets today (I would bet less than half have firearms experience, and less than half of those would consider themselves a good shot or better), if we are talking gunfighters from back in the day, they were all probably very good shots. And having perhaps served in the ACW, or any one of a number of Native American "fights", they are not as likely to panic and run. I think Cody or Holiday or a bunch of others could probably hit the eye of an oncoming critter, and assuming the brain is still in their heads, that could be enough. As stated, a shotgun firing 00 Buck is sending 8-9 bullets of .30 caliber down range, with a spread of only 1" per yard. Holding fire until the last 10 yards gives you a 10" spread, probably putting all or nearly all of them on the head and (likely) open mouth. A round or two into the mouth means they come out the back of the throat, with a chance of taking out the spine. Momentum may propel it into you causing all sorts of grief, but that could be one immobilized critter. I think the critters would have the upper hand for the first few battles, but once survivors learned a bit, they would figure out the weak points, and their chances would go up. And there's always dynamite! |
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART | 23 Mar 2011 7:45 p.m. PST |
I agree with Mr Russo. Black powder weapons in that era have very good accuracy and a whole lot of wallop. Mind you, this is only from personal experience in shooting a few examples. As to rate of fire, I believe it is preferable to hit your mark, not intimidate it. As to gaming
do it. |
Hexxenhammer | 24 Mar 2011 9:30 a.m. PST |
I think Cody or Holiday or a bunch of others could probably hit the eye of an oncoming critter They don't have eyes!!!! But even Hicks carried a 12 gauge "for close encounters." |
Cacique Caribe | 26 Apr 2011 10:39 p.m. PST |
For all of you contemplating Cowboy vs Alien games, you have got to check out this amazing town: link TMP link The Old-West-only gamers need to share this stuff with SF enthusiasts as well. Dan TMP link |
evilmike | 27 Apr 2011 5:17 p.m. PST |
It's not a question of whether 19th century guns will kill Xenomorphs. They will. It's a question of whether or not they will ever get a shot off
if the Colonial Marines had been able to get the Xeno's to attack them in the open, they would have beat the Aliens handidly
.however, the Aliens, not being stupes, stayed in built-up urban areas and ambushed their prey at basically point-blank range
. The acid blood didn't hurt, either
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Cacique Caribe | 10 May 2011 7:48 a.m. PST |
Fantastic tutorial for making a Wild West town for your Xenomorphs to play in: link TMP link Dan TMP link |
Cacique Caribe | 23 Jun 2011 1:46 p.m. PST |
Crazy idea alert . . . if Xenomorphs absorb some of the atributes of their host creature, what would happen if a Xenomorph chestbuster got into a fish??? TMP link Dan |
Smokey Roan | 23 Jun 2011 11:59 p.m. PST |
A snootfull of buckshot (3" magnum, 00 buck preferably) will deter ANY being or creature, from a T Rex to a zenomorph to a space ork ad nauseum. |