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Marcus Maximus21 Feb 2011 12:44 p.m. PST

Hi,

Can anyone point me to in-depth analysis (with orbats where possible) covering the Persians and their wars with the Ottomans and the Russians during the Napoleonic era?

Thanks in advance….

aecurtis Fezian21 Feb 2011 2:09 p.m. PST

Some Persian figures would be nice…

picture

Allen

SJDonovan21 Feb 2011 3:23 p.m. PST

That's a great picture Allen. It actually looks rather like a wargame played with flats.

Are those severed heads in front of the Persian cavalry to the left?

Garde de Paris21 Feb 2011 8:35 p.m. PST

And severed heads on the bayonets of the Persian infantry in the same area. Looks like trouble for the Russians elsewhere on the field.

GdeP

Rudysnelson22 Feb 2011 9:04 a.m. PST

Love to picture Allen.
I have seen several artwork items showing the Persian army in the 1800s. The characteristic Persian items are the slopeing 'bearskins'.
BElow are some excerts from my Time Portal Passages article on the Persian Army. This was for the 1700s but the Persian army did not change much before the Napoleonic era.

Rudysnelson22 Feb 2011 9:08 a.m. PST

This is an interpretation of data drawn from the sources listed in the bibliography, some website comments and various artwork.
A majority of the soldiers in the Persian army were vassals and mercenaries of the nomadic tribes that inhabited the harsh deserts and mountains of Persia. These tribes included Turkic and Afgan warriors. The ethnic Persians enlisted only when required and tended to live in the urban towns and fertile valley regions.
The most successful troops were the mounted bodyguard. They often routed the enemy cavalry from the field but were unable to withstand the advance of musket-armed troops.
Qezelbash Household Guard. These were ethnic Persians which belonged to an old Military Brotherhood. They operated as armored heavy cavalry.
The Qullar were a mounted guard and believed to be comprised of Christian slave soldiers from the Caucus mountain region. They were equipped as the Qezelbash.
The Afgan footguard were selected by Nadir from the best of Afgan captives in 1738. The unit was 4,000 men strong and divided into two regiments of two battalions of 1000 men each.
Persian regular infantry formations were armed with European style muskets. A Persian regiment (2,000 men) consisted of two battalions (1000 men each) of ten companies (100 men each). European officers were used in these units though the regimental and battalion commanders were men trusted by Nadir.
Persian artillery was divided into three types. Heavy siege guns were rare and included captured Turkish guns. The Field gun crews were trained by Europeans. The Camel artillery consisted of small caliber guns transported and fired from the camels.
Nadir Shah and many of his generals are shown wearing red tunics or coats and tribal turbans. Nadir's turban is white with colored trim. Persian ethnic guard troops are shown wearing long red coats with some wearing a fur hat and others a turban.
The Afgan bodyguard unit may have worn a red caftan with most troops continuing to wear their turbans in tribal colors.
The Qezelbash Household Guard Cavalry unit continued to wear mail armor under a red caftan. Trousers were of various colors. They wore a six-pointed cap over a turban. They were armed with a lance and bow.

Rudysnelson22 Feb 2011 9:09 a.m. PST

article part 2

The Persian troops of the regular regiments are noted as wearing dark blue coats but I am unsure whether they were the short tunics or long caftans. Tunics would have allowed for facing colors but facings are not recorded. Based on the fact that British importers financed a number of regiments, I speculate that at least some units wore tunics. However, I would lean toward the majority of the regiments wearing caftans. The trousers were almost always red. They wore the traditional pointed black fur cap that continued to be worn during the 1800s. Regimental distinctions were attached in some manner to the fur cap. Regular units were armed with European made muskets.
Persian feudal and levy units wore local clothing and were armed with older matchlocks.
Persian Feudal Cavalry were equipped by local sultans so uniforms may have reflected native dress or uniformed in the preference of the sultan. They were mainly armed with both a lance and bow. Mail body-armor was worn.
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Artillerymen wore the easier to function in single-breasted Dark blue coat with baggy red trousers and knee- high boots.

The Uzbeg, Turcoman and Afgan warriors wore mainly clothing associated with their specific tribe. A brief description of the dominant tribes is given below. The main clothing colors are also listed. Many of the tribes were independent giving nominal allegiance to the rulers who controlled the major trading towns in their region.

BOKHARA. A major Uzbeg Khanate claiming lordship over the smaller Khanates and nomadic tribes in the area. The majority of the people were Uzbegs (60%) but Turcomans (10%), Tajiks (25%), Arabs (2%) and other smaller tribes comprised part of the population. Their control weakened during the 1600s and was effectively diminished by the Persian invasion of 1739-40. The army was organized along feudal lines with each local ruler (beg) being responsible for arming his men and providing each of them with a horse. The Khan maintained a small full time guard/ police force. Persian slaves or deserters often commanded this force. Part of this force was the Klusa Burdar who were mounted infantry armed with matchlock muskets.

The clothing varied from summer to winter. Summer styles included many bright colored variations of flowing robes. Some colors included green, orange, purple, blue, red and stripes. During the winter woolen cloaks of darker colors were worn over the bright robes. Headgear included fur brimmed and turbans wrapped around red skull caps. The turbans were mainly red and striped (red or blue) white turbans for the levy troops. Officers and nobles wore a white turban. The Khan guards may have wore robes and turbans of a similar color. Some cavalry wore mail over their robes, a steel helmet, carried a cane lance and a round shield. Horses saddle blankets were often crimson and very ornate. Flags were rectangle with a wide contrasting border color.

KHIVA. The ruling Khan was generally from the Uzbeg ethnic group. The population was a collection of nomadic tribes including the Uzbeg (25%), Turcoman (25%), Kazakhs (25%) and several other minor ethnic groups. These tribes would frequently raid Persia, Bokhara and each other without regard of the Khan's wishes. Since raiding was a vital activity virtually every warrior fought from horseback. The army was organized, as could be expected, along feudal lines. Every local beg would provide mounted warriors when asked. Clothing styles were the same as listed among the Bokhara section. The warriors rarely wore turbans preferring a large cylindrical fur hat. Uzbegs' hats were often over a foot tall. Turcoman hats were shorter but often wider than the Uzbeg version. A unique comment was that footwear tended to be cowhide of a yellowish color.

AFGANS. The Afgans had major clans (Ghilzai or Abdali) controlling the main towns of Kandahar and Kabul. The majority of the Afgans lived in local clan dominated villages with the clan owing allegiance to one of the major clan powers. The army was raised along feudal lines with units varying greatly in size depending on the importance of the village. Every warrior carried a sword. Some carried spears and shields while some used matchlock muskets. The turban was almost universal but some clans wore only a simple skull cap.

A research note. The term Uzbeg can also be spelled Uzbek or Ozbeg in various sources.

evilgong22 Feb 2011 3:34 p.m. PST

hiya

I did some preliminary sketches and research, but got distracted by other projects.

I may have a go at sculpting a range in 15mm later in the year.

Regards

David b

Marcus Maximus23 Feb 2011 8:20 a.m. PST

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the large picture. I have seen this before but in thumbnail size, I can now see detail more clearly, and it has got me asking more questions rather than answers, so this is greatly appreciated, many thanks.

Hi RudyNelson,

Thank you for the extract, very informative.

I have the articles from Miniature Wargames series on the wars in India 18th century and I'm sure one of these touches on the Persians I will have to find them to see if my hunch was right. I know the Persians are mentioned albeit briefly in the Mughul India from Osprey.

Is it possible to post a link to the extract? And do you have anymore information or links? Thanks in advance.

Hi David b,

Pity your not sculpting them in 28mm ;)

It looks my only option for the Persian armies of the 1700's to mid 1800's is to utilise Old Glory's 28mm Renaissance range, unless anyone here can point me in the direction of other ranges with suitable 28mm figures?

Best regards

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