"2010 TMP Awards! Best Historical Range!" Topic

This Nominating Suggestion Poll for the prestigious 2010 TMP Awards is for the best Historical Range.

The rules are simple.

A "Range" means a discrete group of figures that have a rational connection. There should be the possibility of more than 2 discrete figures.
It can be a brand new project from a company, tied to a rules system, or not.
It can be a new group or figure packs within that project, such as "Philadelphis Light Horse" within an already established AWI project, or several different BT-7s within an existing WW2 Russian range.
It can be a new box of plastics that allow you to make a large variety of characters.

It can be in any scale, or size.

It can be metal, plastic, resin, anything that is a solid physical opject.

Finally, it must have first gone on sale, anywhere in the world, in the calendar year 2010.

To make it to the Round One Poll, a "range" must be nominated on this thread. It will do no good to complain that your favorite range is not listed if it has not been nominated.
I cannot help you if you have "Poll Suggestions" turned OFF.

To my chagrin, last weeks Polls for Science Fiction and Fantasy took up too much space on the front page, and disappeared way too soon.
One must now go to the Poll Suggestion Board to find them and post suggestions.
I will string the Historical Polls out at one per day.
Sorry, sci-fi and fantasy fans. This was not to disrespect you.
If I am still the Commish next year, I will do it this way!

There was some great stuff in 2010. A few that come to mind are:-

- Perry WOTR (WOTR plastics were end 2009) but the rest of the metal range was 2010 including mercenaries.
- Artizan Landsknechts
- Crusader Germans
- Conquest Normans
- North Star Africa (Matabele and pointy headed Ila)

Mick

Can it include a range that new product came out for in 2010 without the range being introduced in 2010?

Perry WotR would fall in this category if so.

I'd nominate the Perry Carlist War range if that is the case.

I guess this would fall in your one clause there but does it have to be a specific pack then?

I nominate the Old Glory Command Decision line of T-26 tanks. From "CALL FOR AVAILABILITY" listing that dragged on for years, to a nice pretty little group of at least 8 variants.
Hopefully this will encourage them to get cracking and do the same for the other CFA listings.

Scott, I TRIED to be non-ambiguous…
I have no idea when the Carlists came out. However, if they first appeared in 2008, "Carlist Wars" are not eligible.
However, if a set of packs for "Lusitanian Carbonari" within the Carlists came out in 2010, I would permit them. So, pick your favorite Lithuanian Jaegers, or Welsh Fillibusterers or Basque Hussars packs within the Carlists, IF they first went on sale in 2010.

I am the Commish. I have these powers.

Right, so "Perry WOTR metals" is a valid nomination, but "Perry WOTR" isn't, as it includes the 2009 plastic set. Seems clear enough to me.

Khurasan's Kofun ("pre-samurai") range link . I think it was released this year. And not in a scale (15mm) I normally game! Which may be the first to lead me down the path! Dean

I'd like to nominate the Wings Of War Series 4 miniatures – can't think of any other release last year that got me quite so ridiculously excited. Yes, I know I'm weird….

I'd revisit the definition of "range".

But then, nobody put me in charge.

But then, nobody put me in charge and *then* put me in the Dawghouse.

I think I'll revisit this idea of making sound arguments that get people out of the pokey, instead.

Allen

Oh, and I nominate:

- Musketeer Miniatures 28mm Goths:

musketeer-miniatures.com

Gorgon started releasing their Etruscans in late 2009. Dang.

Aventine? Same problem. Dang. Wait! The Pyrrhic range only began last year:

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Allen

Then I'm going to nominate the Perry Miniatures French Foreign Legion figs from their Carlist Wars Range and the WSS figs from Wargames Factory.

Sash and Saber War of 1812 Americans.

Wagames Factory War of the Spanish Sucession.

Bluemoon 15mm ranges.

Pictors and Fusilier Dan beat me to the punch.

Wargames Factory WSS requiescat in pace aeterna

Bluemoon 15mm ranges.

Which ranges? A little more specificity would be nice.
This comes under the "shameless self-promotion" rubric, I think!
The precedent was set in the Fantasy Poll, though, so you are not the first.

Gorgon Etruscans

I've had so much fun with the Warlord WWII plastics that I'll nominate them. The Germans were fun (and I am sufficiently oblivious that the magazine pouches were a non-issue for me) but I really like the British (who ended up pushing the Nazis to the back burner).

I wasn't even interested in WWII before these were issued, having tried and walked away from FoW in 2006.

I'd like to nominate Baccus 6mm Naploeonic Spanish.

Perry Miniatures French Dragoons and Hussars

Victrix Old Guard

(both under the "new box of plastic" definition)

All of them are good – I personally will nominate the FIW, Pirates and Old West. I list the rest for others to nominate.

15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing Pirates
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing FIW
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing Great Northern War
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing Old West
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing Malburian Wars
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing WW1
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing War Paint (Plains Wars)
15mm Blue Moon Manufacturing Aliens

Shouldn't the Aliens be in the Sci-fi Poll?
Or, do you know something you aren't telling us?

"Gorgon Etruscans"

Sadly, as I said above, they were released beginning in 2009.

John, I suspect you will need to arrange for the installation of a number of lampposts along the boulevard. But there should be a specified means of identifying self-nominations, perhaps an icon along these lines?

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Allen

If a new box of plastic actually has multi-purpose applications, as per John's extremely lax rules, I can see it. But I can't quite envision using a box of Old Guard grenadiers to make Spanish guerillas or Austrian jaegers in corsehut.

Allen

And I also shake my cane at you, John, for fiddling with the eligibility rules so that you could include the T-26s. Variants of a vehicle do not a range make. Perhaps if OG/CD/Skytrex had come out with WWII Greeks in 2010, that would be one thing. But you opened a ripe, aged can of worms with that proviso.

Allen

Allen, there were NO T-26s before 2010, or I would have bought them.
The listing had always been CALL FOR AVAILABILITY.

Allen, you are right about needing better definition of "range".

However, if "several different BT-7s within an existing WW2 Russian range" or the 8 variants of Old Glory T-26 count as a range, then surely The Perry Dragoons which allows >30 different mounted figures, plus dismounted should count. Shouldn't it?

If that counts then, the Old guard grenadiers with…. I lost count, but lots of different variants (>100 head/body/arm combinations) from one box should count. Shouldn't it?

If not, why not? 8 T-26 variants vs >100 Old Guard variants

Diadochi: no, no, and because they're not a new range.

John: that's irrelevant. A new pack of OG/CD US infantry with multiple figure variants in the pack would not count, either.

No, Professor Kirke, they do *not* teach logic in these schools. Fancy a pint?

And I shall now bow out gracefully, following my long-held principle that TMP polls are as worthwhile as a truckload of dead rats in a tampon factory ("Top Secret!", 1984, if you were wondering).

Allen

10mm from TB Line. Look like 28m!!

Allen, I would define a range differently and neither my suggestion, nor Johns would count. However, if:

"It can be a new group or figure packs within that project, such as "Philadelphis Light Horse" within an already established AWI project, or several different BT-7s within an existing WW2 Russian range."

defines "range" then nearly anything goes.

You are right though and we should try to stick to what is meant and not what was writen and so I withdraw my nominations.

Peter Pig 15mm AWI gets a thumbs up from me followed by Wings of War Miniatures series 4.

Ahh, scratch the Khurasan Kofun nomination – I see they actually came out later part of 2009 TMP link

Diadochi: no, no! Go with them; you're following the rules!

Allen

Make your mind up Allen "no" when I do, "no" when I don't.

Anyway I was taught that two wrongs don't make a right.

Someone else can nominate them.

Eureka 28mm Cossacks.

Eureka 28mm Rhodesians.

Victrix Early Russians

Elhiem 20mm USMC moderns…simply amazing figures.
Anything that Frank released @ Minden.

Y'know, y'all had the opportunity to "correct" my definitions when I announced I was the Commish last week.
My definition stands, for this go-round.
Annoy me next year, and point out how I screwed things up.
It's too late now.

I LIKE my definition. You have to prove how things blowed up before I will change it.

<tongue-in-cheek> I say John, are you running TMP now? It sure sounds like you think so. Does Bill know?
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Tim

Nope. I am not running TMP now.
But Dear Editor made me the Commissioner of the 2010 TMP Awards, with abbsolutely no guidance. I would show you the PM, but that would get me the DH.

Until he steps in and changes my mind, that is how I am running the awards.

You're a puppet!

Inmortal Miniatures Greeks (Plastic Box)

When it come to the use of the word range linked to miniatures in terms of awards, the two always seem to be tied together, even when one is talking about just a segment of the range.

I have been approached by HMGS-east leadership in the past to submit new miniatures releases to their yearly contest awards, even though the range the miniatures belong to was started several years ago. Much of what John has laid out under his definition of range sounds very similar to what the I was told about submitting new releases from an existing range.

John, I did not know that people associated with the miniatures were excluded from making nominations. Sorry.

Immortal miniatures plastic Greek Hoplites

"Annoy me next year, and point out how I screwed things up.
It's too late now."

Pfft! It's *never* too late to point out how you screwed things up.

Allen

:-)

For some reason a Simpsons line is coming to mind – "He was ousted in a bloodless coup. All smotherings…."

John, I did not know that people associated with the miniatures were excluded from making nominations. Sorry.

They/you're not.
As I said, I have nothing against shameless self-promotion! I said as much on the Fantasy nominating pages.

Anyone who dislikes MY definition of "range", please submit a better one, and do it around the time of the 2011 TMP Award nominations.
If I am still the Comissioner, I will … consider… such suggestions.
If I have been removed from office for "excessive" bribe taking, tell my successor.

cutting edge biblical

HäT Industries' 28mm Napoleonics.

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The Poll will start soon so are there more nominations?

For me they are:

Perry European Armies 1450-1500 and Zvezda 1/100 Art of Tactic armor.