Uesugi Kenshin | 06 Jan 2011 7:13 a.m. PST |
If youve got the time, the space, the minis, and the players, what scale (1:20, 1:60, 1:100, 1:200) do you game Waterloo? |
NoLongerAMember | 06 Jan 2011 7:21 a.m. PST |
Do it in 2mm and go for 1:1. |
docdennis1968 | 06 Jan 2011 7:31 a.m. PST |
Do it in 54mm and ratio 1 casting = 100 guys
.. Or if you have a football field and 100,000 + Figures and 50 to 100 players go 1 to 1!! |
Scorpio | 06 Jan 2011 7:48 a.m. PST |
Given all the time, space, minis and players I need, I'd go 2:1. Yes, I'd have two figs to represent every one soldier. Why not? |
nickinsomerset | 06 Jan 2011 8:00 a.m. PST |
We have played it a few times using Napoleons Battles on a 9 x 5 table with 15mm figures, 1 inf = 120, 1 Cav fig = 80 one gun = a bty. We have also jiggled the game asround a little with free set up, and random time and entry of both the Prussians and Grouchy! Tally Ho! |
Tommy20 | 06 Jan 2011 8:25 a.m. PST |
4x3, but only because the only copy I've been able to acquire is an old pan & scan vhs. I'd love to get a proper widescreen dvd. |
brevior est vita | 06 Jan 2011 8:37 a.m. PST |
16:9 hi-def is the only way to go, IMHO. |
Pictors Studio | 06 Jan 2011 8:40 a.m. PST |
I'd do it 1:1 in 28mm with plastics as much as possible. I mean if practical considerations are not a constraint, why not? I know it would be a lot of soldiers to move around and even using Black Powder would take a while but it would be a lot of fun. I'd probalby use Battalions as the movement element and make each one up of 10 stands. |
Martin Rapier | 06 Jan 2011 8:52 a.m. PST |
I've done it in 20mm and 6mm. IIRC for 20mm we just used WRG 16xx-18xx but doubled the figure scale (so 1:100). For the 6mm games I've usually gone with 1 base to a brigade or occasionally one base to a division (that was when we did Waterloo and Wavre as one huge battle with the Prussians marching between them, which was interesting). The 20mm game took all weekend, I haven't got time for stuff like that any more. Obviously the flight of fancy would be to do it at 1:1 with real soldiers. It would be quicker than our 20mm refight, and we'd get to wear nice uniforms. |
Der Alte Fritz | 06 Jan 2011 9:02 a.m. PST |
A 1:20 ratio is doable with a large rented meeting room for the venue. If time, money and space were not constraints, I would love to do Waterloo at 1:10. Actually, I'd rather do Austerlitz because it is a more interesting battle rather than the straight on slug fest that Waterloo is. |
21eRegt | 06 Jan 2011 10:57 a.m. PST |
I'd probably lean towards 1:30 since it fits pretty well with average unit sizes. Like DAF says though, there are many battles far more interesting to do, especially if you want to do a historic refight. I've done a lot Waterloos in my gaming life with a variety of rules and the French win 9 out of 10 if you don't fiddle with deployment AND arrival times. |
vtsaogames | 06 Jan 2011 12:08 p.m. PST |
On my 4X6 foot table with 15mm figures, my plan is 1:160 ratio, with a foot being about a mile. I've got the French and the Prussians, Wellington's army is nearly done
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Royal Marine | 06 Jan 2011 4:06 p.m. PST |
I wouldn't go for a ratio. For large battles you need to get away from that mindset. Instead your base unit should be a Brigade which is then given a combat effectiveness. Rules such as Volley and Bayonet or Black Powder are ideal for large games. If you wan't to stick with ratios go for smaller battles that are manageable in terms of space and time. BTW I am right and everyone else should now adopt my way of thinking. Looking forward to all the agreements. I'm off to the Lounge to start something else
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WKeyser | 07 Jan 2011 4:07 a.m. PST |
I would and have done it three ways. 1 Parts done at 1-20 or 1-30 use tactical level rules with lots of flavor for company Formations etc. The storming of Hugemont, or the Prussian arrival etc. 2. 1-50 to 1-60 with "Corps level Rules" this can take a while. Here you can give each player a corps and only allow communicactions with written orders that go through and umpire. 3. 1-100 1-120 Army scale of rules where the rules are simple enough so that one player can command an entire army or number of corps. Then for more spice use Kevin Zuckers board games of the campaign to play a miniatures campaign which in the end is the most satisfying. William |
Uesugi Kenshin | 07 Jan 2011 8:51 a.m. PST |
I would like to shoot for 1:60 but still might be unwieldy. |
Unlucky General | 07 Jan 2011 12:44 p.m. PST |
As a ie hard 28mm player, I stick to 1:20 but then wouldn't try to do the whole battle – although members of our Goulburn Wargames Club are doing just that. If I were ever to go a smaller scale (say 10mm) then I'd decrease the ratio to 1:10 to make my units looks even more like the real thing. I suppose this means if I ever wanted to do the whole battle, I'll stick to board or computer games. |
Royal Marine | 07 Jan 2011 1:45 p.m. PST |
C'mon
where's the flame war in this? |
Mad Guru | 07 Jan 2011 6:00 p.m. PST |
Uesugi, If you are gearing up for a big game on the 200th anniversary in 2015, please invite me over when the time comes! |
nickinsomerset | 08 Jan 2011 4:36 a.m. PST |
Royal, glad you are back and in the wrong as per usual! Tally Ho! |
Royal Marine | 08 Jan 2011 5:35 a.m. PST |
Aha
some abuse at last from the Army!! |
Last Hussar | 09 Jan 2011 4:59 a.m. PST |
Royal Marine is RIGHT. I don't understand why people get hung up on figure ratios for large units. As a Divisional or Corp commander you see battalions and brigades, not men. At the grand scale level you don't want to be mucking about with working out how many figures are in a unit every time you need to roll dice. |
Uesugi Kenshin | 09 Jan 2011 5:30 a.m. PST |
"Uesugi, If you are gearing up for a big game on the 200th anniversary in 2015, please invite me over when the time comes!" GURU Brother! Great to hear from you! Hope the you and yours are well! When is the next British slaughter
I mean historical re-creation slated for? As to your question, even with my fastest painting skills I will never be ready for 2015 in 28mm. But, I may be able to pull Ligny off. THAT I wwill keep you posted of Brother! I do hope to talk the wife into a trip to Belgium in 2015 though! Maybe you can do the same ;-) |
Mad Guru | 09 Jan 2011 11:37 p.m. PST |
Hey there, Uesugi! Great to hear from you too, my friend! We may actually have another big game in the near future. If it comes to pass I will give you a head's up, though I know your schedule could be a challenge. I'll give you as much notice as possible. If you haven't checked Maiwandday.blogspot.com for a while, my son and I drove the boards up to "Pacificon" for Labor Day weekend and Nick ran a "Black Powder" game of the battle, and THE BRITISH WON!!! (There's a battle report up and a ton of pics from the game, all under the month of OCTOBER.) Meanwhile, Ligny would be way big enough to excite me! Your Waterloo trip sounds terrific. An old friend of my wife's used to run a restaurant very close to Waterloo and it was always an extra level of fun for me when we would visit. She and her husband sold it a while back, but I've always enjoyed Belgium -- and I love Belgian beer -- and I might have to start thinking about taking that trip. |
Uesugi Kenshin | 10 Jan 2011 2:43 a.m. PST |
"though I know your schedule could be a challenge." Bah, I can always clear the calendar for gaming goodness! "my son and I drove the boards up to "Pacificon" for Labor Day weekend and Nick ran a "Black Powder" game of the battle, and THE BRITISH WON!!!" CLEARLY there must be something wrong with those rules ;-) Im hoping the pending release of the Perrys Plastic Prussians will help my Ligny project come to fruition. Glad to here "Pacificon" was a success. Tell the son, wife & Bro I said hello! |