dejvid | 25 Aug 2010 8:51 a.m. PST |
I must confess that when someone posts a poll on who is the greatest classical general, how much I like the general does have an influence. Hannibal is someone who I would rate as an all time great even if he wasn't someone I root for. Spartacus is someone I consider a competent rather than a great general but who I would always vote for. The generals people normally nominate for a great general poll should be part of the poll for comparison: Alexander the Great Hannibal Philip of Macedon Scipio Africanus Cyrus the Great Pyrrhus Epaminondas Julius Caesar Hamilkar Barka competent commanders who probably have fans include Phormio Spartacus Judas Maccabeus Armin (Battle of the Teutoburg Forest) Q Sertorius Suren (Carahae) Timoleon Eumenes Themistocles Fabius Gaius Marius Brasidas Vercingetorix Caratacus but also these commanders who few would rate as great commanders or who are notable for defeats surely have fans: Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal Boudica Cyrus the younger (xenophon's) Leonidas (Themropolae) Cleomenes (Sellasia) Antony (of Cleopatra) Brutus Cleon (for those who consider Thukydides biased) Aristonicus of Pergamon, who promised freedom to the slaves Aratus of Sikyon I'm sure there are others that people can come up with |
highlandcatfrog | 25 Aug 2010 9:02 a.m. PST |
Serious answer: Scipio Africanus. Just 'cause I like him answer: Clau-Clau-Claudius. Epic Fail answer: Varus. |
Shagnasty | 25 Aug 2010 9:35 a.m. PST |
Alexander, always Alexander. |
John the OFM | 25 Aug 2010 9:38 a.m. PST |
For his reliability and faithfulness I like Alcibiades. I dislike any who are harder to spell than that. Al is my limit. |
Wizard Whateley | 25 Aug 2010 9:44 a.m. PST |
Julian the Apostate is an interesting general and emperor. |
dejvid | 25 Aug 2010 9:46 a.m. PST |
>>Serious answer: Scipio Africanus. >>Just 'cause I like him answer: Clau-Clau-Claudius. >>Epic Fail answer: Varus. Given the way the question is framed Claudius and Varus are just as serious as Scipio so consider them both nominated. |
highlandcatfrog | 25 Aug 2010 10:07 a.m. PST |
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NoLongerAMember | 25 Aug 2010 11:35 a.m. PST |
Hmmm making it classical misses out on Belisarius and Narses, both of whom have more in common with those listed than dark ages. |
DeanMoto | 25 Aug 2010 11:47 a.m. PST |
Philopoemen And of course, I like Pyrrhus & Alex |
Mr Pumblechook | 25 Aug 2010 12:28 p.m. PST |
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Dart23 | 25 Aug 2010 12:37 p.m. PST |
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oudgrauw | 25 Aug 2010 1:42 p.m. PST |
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quidveritas | 25 Aug 2010 2:06 p.m. PST |
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Uesugi Kenshin | 25 Aug 2010 2:20 p.m. PST |
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Pictors Studio | 25 Aug 2010 6:03 p.m. PST |
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Katzbalger | 25 Aug 2010 6:30 p.m. PST |
I'd vote Belisarius, but he's not available. Scipio or Themistocles, then. Rob |
SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER | 25 Aug 2010 7:42 p.m. PST |
I'm kind of fond of both Antiginos. |
dejvid | 26 Aug 2010 4:27 a.m. PST |
SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER 1 - I'm kind of fond of both Antiginos. That would be Antigonas one eyed and Antigonas Gonatas the one who kicked Pyrrhus out of Macedonia? |
galvinm | 26 Aug 2010 6:16 a.m. PST |
Caeser Leonidas Alexander Hannibal |
rddfxx | 26 Aug 2010 6:58 a.m. PST |
I've always been intrigued by the very capable and successful Marcus Claudius Marcellus, who is somehow always lost in the shadow of Scipio. And put me down as another vote for Antigonos Monophthalmos and his son, the peripatetic Demetrios Poliorcetes |
rddfxx | 26 Aug 2010 7:05 a.m. PST |
And we should consider Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, or at least add his name to dejvid's list. He was my favorite poohbah in HBO's Rome, if not my favorite classical general
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vtsaogames | 26 Aug 2010 11:25 a.m. PST |
Pyrrhus, because those are the kind of victories I win. |
Patrick Sexton | 26 Aug 2010 1:03 p.m. PST |
Out of those listed, Themistocles. |
ZeroTwentythree | 26 Aug 2010 2:38 p.m. PST |
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mad monkey 1 | 27 Aug 2010 10:10 a.m. PST |
Maximus Decimus Meridius. |
Lee Brilleaux | 27 Aug 2010 8:20 p.m. PST |
Fought for Rome – Marius, Agrippa, Corbulo, Vespasian, Septimius Severus. Fought against Rome -Viriathus. Caractacus, Spartacus. Fought for and against Rome – Sertorius. |
dejvid | 30 Aug 2010 7:28 p.m. PST |
This the updated list including nominations The generals people normally nominate for a great general poll should be part of the poll for comparison: Alexander the Great Hannibal Philip of Macedon Scipio Africanus Cyrus the Great Pyrrhus Epaminondas Julius Caesar Hamilkar Barka competent commanders who probably have fans include Phormio Spartacus Judas Maccabeus Armin (Battle of the Teutoburg Forest) Q Sertorius Suren (Carahae) Timoleon Eumenes Themistocles Fabius Gaius Marius Brasidas Vercingetorix Caratacus Viriathus (Lusitanian leader who fought Rome) , Marius, Agrippa, Corbulo(served under Claudius and Nero -rooced to commit suicide, Vespasian, Septimius Severus. Marcus Claudius Marcellus, Antigonos Monophthalmos Demetrios Poliorcetes Antigonas Gonatas( who kicked Pyrrhus out of Macedonia) Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus Cimon ( destroyed a Persian fleet and army at the Eurymedon River ) Philopoemen (achaean League) Julian the Apostate Alcibiades but also these commanders who few would rate as great commanders or who are notable for defeats surely have fans: Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal Boudica Cyrus the younger (xenophon's) Leonidas (Themropolae) Cleomenes (Sellasia) Antony (of Cleopatra) Brutus Cleon (for those who consider Thukydides biased) Aristonicus of Pergamon, who promised freedom to the slaves Aratus of Sikyon Tigranes the Great Publius Quinctilius Varus (defeated by the Germans) Claudius Classical does imply a cut off at 476 so I haven't included Belisarius and Narses, though I can see the point that they have quite a bit in common with classical generals. (I took the one fictional general to be in jest) I hope I haven't missed anyone and there is always room for more. |
archstanton73 | 17 Oct 2010 1:51 p.m. PST |
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Scorpio | 19 Oct 2010 10:48 a.m. PST |
Seconding Pyhrrus. He reinvented warfare, sort of. |