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25 Aug 2010 10:07 a.m. PST
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dejvid25 Aug 2010 8:51 a.m. PST

I must confess that when someone posts a poll on who is the greatest classical general, how much I like the general does have an influence. Hannibal is someone who I would rate as an all time great even if he wasn't someone I root for.
Spartacus is someone I consider a competent rather than a great general but who I would always vote for.

The generals people normally nominate for a great general poll should be part of the poll for comparison:

Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Philip of Macedon
Scipio Africanus
Cyrus the Great
Pyrrhus
Epaminondas
Julius Caesar
Hamilkar Barka

competent commanders who probably have fans include
Phormio
Spartacus
Judas Maccabeus
Armin (Battle of the Teutoburg Forest)
Q Sertorius
Suren (Carahae)
Timoleon
Eumenes
Themistocles
Fabius
Gaius Marius
Brasidas
Vercingetorix
Caratacus

but also these commanders who few would rate as great commanders or who are notable for defeats surely have fans:
Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal
Boudica
Cyrus the younger (xenophon's)
Leonidas (Themropolae)
Cleomenes (Sellasia)
Antony (of Cleopatra)
Brutus
Cleon (for those who consider Thukydides biased)
Aristonicus of Pergamon, who promised freedom to the slaves
Aratus of Sikyon

I'm sure there are others that people can come up with

highlandcatfrog25 Aug 2010 9:02 a.m. PST

Serious answer: Scipio Africanus.

Just 'cause I like him answer: Clau-Clau-Claudius.

Epic Fail answer: Varus.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2010 9:35 a.m. PST

Alexander, always Alexander.

John the OFM25 Aug 2010 9:38 a.m. PST

For his reliability and faithfulness I like Alcibiades.
I dislike any who are harder to spell than that. Al is my limit.

Wizard Whateley25 Aug 2010 9:44 a.m. PST

Julian the Apostate is an interesting general and emperor.

dejvid25 Aug 2010 9:46 a.m. PST

>>Serious answer: Scipio Africanus.

>>Just 'cause I like him answer: Clau-Clau-Claudius.

>>Epic Fail answer: Varus.

Given the way the question is framed Claudius and Varus are just as serious as Scipio so consider them both nominated.

highlandcatfrog25 Aug 2010 10:07 a.m. PST

thumbs up

NoLongerAMember25 Aug 2010 11:35 a.m. PST

Hmmm making it classical misses out on Belisarius and Narses, both of whom have more in common with those listed than dark ages.

DeanMoto25 Aug 2010 11:47 a.m. PST

Philopoemen

And of course, I like Pyrrhus & Alex

Mr Pumblechook25 Aug 2010 12:28 p.m. PST

Agrees with FredBloggs…

Dart2325 Aug 2010 12:37 p.m. PST

Hannibal

oudgrauw25 Aug 2010 1:42 p.m. PST

Cimon anyone ?

quidveritas25 Aug 2010 2:06 p.m. PST

Alexander of course!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2010 2:20 p.m. PST

Tigranes the Great:
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Pictors Studio25 Aug 2010 6:03 p.m. PST

Themistocles for me.

Katzbalger25 Aug 2010 6:30 p.m. PST

I'd vote Belisarius, but he's not available. Scipio or Themistocles, then.

Rob

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER25 Aug 2010 7:42 p.m. PST

I'm kind of fond of both Antiginos.

dejvid26 Aug 2010 4:27 a.m. PST

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER 1 -
I'm kind of fond of both Antiginos.

That would be Antigonas one eyed
and Antigonas Gonatas the one who kicked Pyrrhus out of Macedonia?

galvinm26 Aug 2010 6:16 a.m. PST

Caeser
Leonidas
Alexander
Hannibal

rddfxx26 Aug 2010 6:58 a.m. PST

I've always been intrigued by the very capable and successful Marcus Claudius Marcellus, who is somehow always lost in the shadow of Scipio.

And put me down as another vote for Antigonos Monophthalmos and his son, the peripatetic Demetrios Poliorcetes

rddfxx26 Aug 2010 7:05 a.m. PST

And we should consider Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, or at least add his name to dejvid's list. He was my favorite poohbah in HBO's Rome, if not my favorite classical general…..

vtsaogames26 Aug 2010 11:25 a.m. PST

Pyrrhus, because those are the kind of victories I win.

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2010 1:03 p.m. PST

Out of those listed, Themistocles.

ZeroTwentythree26 Aug 2010 2:38 p.m. PST

Sertorius & Pomey.

mad monkey 127 Aug 2010 10:10 a.m. PST

Maximus Decimus Meridius.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian27 Aug 2010 8:20 p.m. PST

Fought for Rome – Marius, Agrippa, Corbulo, Vespasian, Septimius Severus.

Fought against Rome -Viriathus. Caractacus, Spartacus.

Fought for and against Rome – Sertorius.

dejvid30 Aug 2010 7:28 p.m. PST

This the updated list including nominations

The generals people normally nominate for a great general poll should be part of the poll for comparison:

Alexander the Great
Hannibal
Philip of Macedon
Scipio Africanus
Cyrus the Great
Pyrrhus
Epaminondas
Julius Caesar
Hamilkar Barka

competent commanders who probably have fans include
Phormio
Spartacus
Judas Maccabeus
Armin (Battle of the Teutoburg Forest)
Q Sertorius
Suren (Carahae)
Timoleon
Eumenes
Themistocles
Fabius
Gaius Marius
Brasidas
Vercingetorix
Caratacus
Viriathus (Lusitanian leader who fought Rome) ,
Marius,
Agrippa,
Corbulo(served under Claudius and Nero -rooced to commit suicide,
Vespasian,
Septimius Severus.
Marcus Claudius Marcellus,
Antigonos Monophthalmos
Demetrios Poliorcetes
Antigonas Gonatas( who kicked Pyrrhus out of Macedonia)
Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus
Cimon ( destroyed a Persian fleet and army at the Eurymedon River )
Philopoemen (achaean League)
Julian the Apostate
Alcibiades

but also these commanders who few would rate as great commanders or who are notable for defeats surely have fans:
Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal
Boudica
Cyrus the younger (xenophon's)
Leonidas (Themropolae)
Cleomenes (Sellasia)
Antony (of Cleopatra)
Brutus
Cleon (for those who consider Thukydides biased)
Aristonicus of Pergamon, who promised freedom to the slaves
Aratus of Sikyon
Tigranes the Great
Publius Quinctilius Varus (defeated by the Germans)
Claudius

Classical does imply a cut off at 476
so I haven't included Belisarius and Narses, though I can see the point that they have quite a bit in common with classical generals.

(I took the one fictional general to be in jest)

I hope I haven't missed anyone and there is always room for more.

archstanton7317 Oct 2010 1:51 p.m. PST

Alexander…

Scorpio19 Oct 2010 10:48 a.m. PST

Seconding Pyhrrus. He reinvented warfare, sort of.

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