"Montana Gold Sprays?" Topic

Ive been trying out some colours on the montana gold spray range, thought it would be good for some speed painting.

Anyhow, the spray goes on fine, however I then find it very hard to paint over? Acrylics I used wont adhere to it, seems to slip off. Anyone else have this problem with them? Do I need to prime the models first or should I only use with metal/plastic?

thanks

scall

I use them. My first attempt provided a very good base coat for some pikemen; another attempt gave a gritty surface (but I think this was because I primed in direct sunlight on a very hot day, a poor idea).

Did you let them dry thouroughly?

Simon

Yep

thouroughly dried. It works using foundation paints, however not general GW or vajello paint directly. Sort of defeats the object, having to touch up with two layers

These are the Montana primed figures.

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They subsequently painted up very very well; I don't use Foundation paints, rather a mix of vallejo, GW and Miniature Paints.

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Did you shake the can to death before spraying?

Cheers, Simon

Hmmm

they look excellent. Maybe I am not shaking long enough. Ill give a try again tonight

appreciate that

Keith

It is a long shot, but you might also try swapping the spray nozzle, as the Montana cans come with 3 different types of nozzle. Perhaps borrow one from a can that has worked OK for you before?

I am cautiously pleased with the Montana stuff as there are so many different useful shades available.

Cheers, Simon

What color did you use? Was it a gloss or a flat?

I don't have experience with this specific brand, but if I use a gloss spraypaint (testors in this instance) and paint over that, GW paints tend not to want to stick as well. I solve this by either re-priming select areas, or I simply thin the paint less.

Note, for questions on why I would use a gloss paint: most acrylic golds I've used, well, suck. Testors enamel gold, however, is very good. I rattle can gold onto the figures, and then paint everything else. This leaves a very smooth, even gold where I want it to be…

Damon.

Much as I love Frank, I'm afraid I'm sold on gesso:

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Allen

Hi Damon the range is confusingly called Montana Gold, but includes 100 or so colours. And is often on sale at Cass Arts in London.

Hi Allen, I'm sure gesso is great, but if you can find the right base colour in a spray primer, it can save a lot of time!

Simon

I will have to double check, Ive a scarlet red colour and two browns. Ive just orderd two more nozzles to see if that helps. I am often lazy on the shaking, so I hope its simply that.

"Hi Allen, I'm sure gesso is great, but if you can find the right base colour in a spray primer, it can save a lot of time!"

I spent many years spray priming, Simon. I can prime just as fast by hand with gesso, and get better coverage.

Allen

Ah Allen, but spray primer comes in handy dandy colours like brown and flesh, so you get a primer and a base coat in one go! This is why I find it a useful time saving.

I do want to try gesso at some point, though.

Simon

You can get the same thing with gesso too, by mixing in the appropriate color(s).

Personally I tried gesso as a primer over gold spraypaint (recall what I said about gold paints on the market) and it was a disaster. I use gesso often enough (particularly white) to form a brilliant white undercoat when I'm either painting over weak colors over darks (such as yellow over an area previously colored black FREX), or want an especially bright base. But I'm not so sure I want to use it as a primer again…

Damon.

We produce the paint locally here in Montana, using real gold, silver, and other precious and non-precious metals and pigments and can them with pure Montana air as a propellant. Perhaps your climate is not used to having such pure air being sprayed that it chemically reacts with Montana Gold?

(that was tongue in cheek folks! I'd never heard of Montana Gold paints and found it funny that I've never seen it here in Montana!)

As for the paint issue, if you sprayed the paint on and it dried glossy, it will not have sufficient "tooth" for GW and Vallejo to stick/adhere properly. If you have access to Dullcote try giving in a quick shot or two and letting that dry as it provides excellent tooth for future paints to stick to in my experience.

If you have access to Dullcote try giving in a quick shot or two and letting that dry as it provides excellent tooth for future paints to stick to

I've done this successfully, though not with this specific brand of spraypaint.

Horrible, thick and heavy. I thought it would be a quick way to get a flesh look on some Zulus. Abandoned that idea after trying the paint on one unit.

What color did you use? Was it a gloss or a flat?

In my experience there's little difference. Montana Gold is the matt range (Montana Black is gloss). I 'discovered' them myself a couple of years ago, and went all starry-eyed at the range of colours too. Then I used a can, with all the usual precautions, and my face fell. If that's the matt, Montana Black must shine with the light of a thousand suns…

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Warren B.
minisculpture.co.uk

Well

the colours are shock red, shock brown and shock light brown. Im guessing shock = gloss?

I did try again with a full 3 minutes shaking and results were slightly better. I also bought two other colours, elm and a blue, neither of them shock and with difference nozzles. Works a treat, paint goes on easily

ta all

scall