"What is the most heinous wargaming crime?" Topic

1. Use of loaded dice.
2. Use of unpainted miniatures.
3. Taking advantage of your oponents lack of knowledge of
the rules being used.
4. Deliberately and consistently fudging move / range distances to personal advantage.

I look forward to the others that will be added.

For Me 3 that's unforgivable.

1, 3, and 4 are awful. I also hate when a person tries to play his opponents army too. Constantly giving advice or telling him how he should be playing the army.

I thought all the above were standard practice!!!!
Who remembers Michael Green and "The Art of Coarse Rugby?" – we could easily collectively write the Art of Coarse Wargaming… and identify ourselves easily enough in what we write!

Mishandling someone else's troops (I mean actually damaging them in real life, not getting them shot up in the game).

where do you even get loaded dice? and if somebody fudges their move on Me I'm going to do the same.

Anyone who has eaten cabbage or Tabouli prior to a game. They can overwhelm any notice of numbers 1 to 4, or at the least cause the other players not to particularly care about them.

Where do you even get loaded dice?

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2 is sometime a necessity but never in tournaments, also foregivable by age.
3 is just being a tool becasue you don;t know how to be fair. AKA rules lawyer.
4 This is only creates a breakdown in the game becasue it breeds like results from all players.

The worst thing I have ever seen is when one player is obviously more knowledgable in the peroid thatn others and then tries to belittle others into doughting their decisions. This tends to go with number 3.

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5. Plays outside of "the spirit of the game"

Stealing figures/terrain

The worst is not letting ME win.

3, easily.

Rule arguments are one thing. Intentionally misreading or lying about a rule to win marks you as the bottom of the barrel-- a person not worthy of being allowed into a gaming league. Consider also that it's a way of cheating the least experienced (read: newest) players in the hobby.

Loaded dice and fudging ranges is bad, but nowhere near as bad as that. Unpainted minis are uncooth but hardly a crime.

Having the wrong lace colour on your Bavarian Mounted Kettledrummers in your War of Jenkins Ear army…

2,1,3,4

Constantly bleating about how bad/unfair/unblanced the rules are and how they're not having any fun.

Having been the victim of #3, it is a particular pet peeve of mine.

Theft…had it done to me at a con game a few years back…If you have to steal someones figures, then you don't need to be playing..

Theft goes without saying. Number one crime- Not Painting.
Guilty as charged.

Theft would be top of my list. All the others just effect the game, but theft of figures leaves a scar that will never heal.

When I even hear about it happening to someone else, it causes me pain. Murphy I am very sorry some (fill in your own banned word here) did this to you.

Vince

1,3,or 4 are all deserving of a kicking. People doing 3+4 is why I dont play in DBM comps any more.

Phil

I'd consider theft to be an actual crime, not a "wargaming crime".

I'd agree with Titchmonster that #3 is just being a tool.

#2 is a matter of taste/convention.

#'s 1 and 4 are cheating, which I'd consider "the most heinous wargaming crime".

Buffalo chicken wings while playing with MY miniatures.

Loaded dice.

2 I don't mind so much (I'm such a slow painter myself)

The other 2 items are things I will call people on if they start acting like a cock.

Loaded dice is just outright cheating and if I ever catch someone using the dice, they'll need a kindly nurse and a lot of vaseline to retrieve them!

Un-painted miniatures.

We had one guy that tried 1, 3 and 4, sometimes in the same game.

1 & 4 are cheating

2 is being an

3 is unforgivable.

3. Totally #3.
Loaded dice? I doubt that any of my players would think of that.

Can I add one?
5) Bad sportsmanship. I.e. When loosing a game, call the other player he is cheating, and stop playing.

Cheating …loaded dice , miss moving figures , taking advantage of players who do not know rules are all forms of cheating . Cheaters are drummed out of groups and or leagues cause we are not allowed to hit them with large sticks .

@the Hobbybox

"Loaded dice is just outright cheating and if I ever catch someone using the dice, they'll need a kindly nurse and a lot of vaseline to retrieve them!"

Very good, well said :-)

One of the guys had a loaded dice once but he only ever got it out as a joke – it was so obviously loaded by the way it wobbled when it landed and even then it didn't always land on a six!

What really winds me up is when 3rd parties walk over and start telling my opponent what to do and guiding them tactically. Drives me nuts.
" off and find someone else to play with."

Cheating, being a jerk, or whining are all top wargaming crimes. It is a silly game of toy soldiers (despite all of the serious aspects to it that we see in our own minds) and should be fun for everyone to play. If you feel compelled to cheat or seek advantage in a game you should really move on to some other form of recreation… like Javeline Catching or Competitive Lawn Darts.

Throwing things in a fit of anger that results in damaged miniatures.

I've experienced all of the above & they annoy me but the worst was when someone started taking a hammer to my miniatures just because he had set himself up to lose.

5. Urinating in the cheese doodles bowl when drunk.

Arguing over rules that you haven't read.

Ask yourself would it be less fun for everybody if I do this? If the answer is yes and you do it anyway, that's a wargaming crime.

Fiddling with yourself at the table.

I will cut "unpainted" some slack. Some. You get a guy from work involved and he buys 100 French infantry and only has 10 painted. No big deal. A year later he still only has 10 painted. That is a major flaw and probably didn't get invited.

The other all all pretty much good.

Rules Lawyering, bad sportsmanship, cheating, throwing and stomping on miniatures.

Taking your son to a Con to play games and get him interested and ending up playing against a jerk who thinks its the national championship!

6. An opponent who, after rolling, continually picks up the dice before you see them and gets exactly the number required………….every time.

7. Play that makes geologic time seem fast.

DM

Theft, deliberately breaking figures and deliberate cheating (ie loaded dice and fudging distances) are probably the worst I can think of.

Being a rules lawyer, whiner, bad sportsman etc (eg taking advantage) aren't so bad but still unacceptable.

Unpainted figs aren't good, but I can see situations where they could be used, eg newcomers to the hobby, youngsters or if trying out some different rules for a new period before you decide on basing etc, by agreement.

Has anyone ever witnessed a punch-up at the wargames table?

(Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!)

Measuring a move, not making the distance to contact, putting the figures back "where they started." Make other moves. Come back to the first move and now the figures make it.

1,3,4. I don't care if people use unpainted minis. It's their hobby and they can enjoy it as they see fit.

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5. Players taking advantage of (my) total lack of knowledge of an entire period of warfare (ie Napoleonics).

Oooo, you kicked my butt again! Wow. And I guess you also like mugging old ladies, beating up women, and stomping on bugs? Big man you are!

1. Stabbing a metal fig into someones eye
2. Actually killing someone during the game

Realistically speaking, I would say getting food on someones miniatures, farting or being an for any reason.

Just being a

Bringing your child to a how, sitting them down at a game to play. Then going someplace else and getting into another game, leaving YOU to babysit.

Fiddling with yourself at the table.

Or as one opponent of mine did pushing your dentures out with your tongue and then sucking them back in.

I usually fiddle with myself at the table and my opponent will
concede,