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Legends In Time Skip Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 11:08 a.m. PST

Just a quick survey to see if any TMP'rs game with the Swedes. Apparently they were only at one battle and not committed.
Recently a friend of mine passed away and left several large collections behind. Other friends of his and myself are trying to help his family out by selling off his collections.
He had a 500-600 Swedish 15mm Mini-Fig Army among them. It will take a bit of time to get this and other armies sorted out for display and if there is a good response we'll include this army in the first series to be offered up for sale.
Thanks for your attention.
-skip

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian03 Apr 2017 11:25 a.m. PST

I dont't have Swedes, if I did I would use them

RudyNelson03 Apr 2017 11:31 a.m. PST

I used too. Back when I was doing a lot of demo and play test games. A good Dane vs Swede game is balanced.

4th Cuirassier03 Apr 2017 11:39 a.m. PST

Love the cuirassiers. "Mullet" crest, brass applique eagle fixed to the breastplate. What's not to like?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 11:44 a.m. PST

A little background:

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Personal logo Buckeye AKA Darryl Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

They were involved in numerous battles, see the 1808-1809 war with the Russians for example. Now, their uniforms changes a bit, so one might not want to use 1813-1815 Swedes for the earlier period, but they are a useful army for obscure campaigns.

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Bill Rosser Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 12:20 p.m. PST

Hi Skip,
I might be interested if the paint matches what I have close enough. I don't mind re-basing. Let me know when you have photos.
Bill

Personal logo Weasel Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 12:28 p.m. PST

In Empires in Arms they tend to show up quite a bit, if that counts :-)

Legends In Time Skip Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 12:31 p.m. PST

Thanks for the extra insight "Crispy" & "Buckeye Darryl".

Guthroth03 Apr 2017 12:46 p.m. PST

Another possible interest here.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 12:54 p.m. PST

They were my first Napoleonic army using CLS back in 1970. Sold off in a bad period since. A lot of that fighting in the Baltic is about right for a 1:20 organization, and I think the current owner is doing just that with them.

Certainly they look a lot better than they did when I painted them.

But no, an interesting army, but not a project I'd want to start again.

bruntonboy03 Apr 2017 1:23 p.m. PST

Plenty of action for Swedes in 1805, 08 and 09, 1813/4/5. With plenty of historical enemies. French, Russians, Danes, Norwegians, Saxons and only slightly hypothetically British and Spanish. They were engaged at Dennewitz and Leipzig. My first army- using Airfix plastic conversions rather a long time agao. I'll do them again sometime.

TMPWargamerabbit03 Apr 2017 1:53 p.m. PST

Have 25mm Swedes for the Russo-Swedish 1809 war and the later 1813 campaign. Haven't seen the tabletop in recent years…. but Gross Bergen 1813 on the warren gaming event horizon.

Desert Fox03 Apr 2017 2:19 p.m. PST

I don't have one, but I think it is one of the cooler looking Napoleonic armies.

14Bore Supporting Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 2:29 p.m. PST

They do have some snappy uniforms but never started to collect them.

Legends In Time Skip Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Apr 2017 5:05 p.m. PST

Hello Guthroth
Would be happy to give some additional intel to you.
Forward some contact info please.
Thanks,
-skip

Edwulf03 Apr 2017 5:45 p.m. PST

No. But I've always wanted to.

Peter Lowitt03 Apr 2017 6:10 p.m. PST

I've run Orvais 1809 and there are two excellent Russo-Swedish war scenario booklets. Marshal Brune had a number of gameable clashes in Swedish Pomerania 1805-06

Robert Burke03 Apr 2017 8:18 p.m. PST

I have a 20mm Swedish army that I used with CLS. If anyone is interested in how to organized the Swedish army at a 20:1 ratio, contact me at Burker1 (at) aol (dot) com and I'd be happy to share my research with you.

4th Cuirassier04 Apr 2017 2:48 a.m. PST

Anyone have any links to 1805 Swedish uniformology? The focus seems usually ro be on the Bernadotte era.

langobard Supporting Member of TMP04 Apr 2017 4:29 a.m. PST

Bernadotte always put me off them…

Granted, he takes over relatively late in the whole flow of Revolutionary/Napoleonic wars, but still, I avoid them because of him.

Spiteful, I know :)

Guthroth04 Apr 2017 5:08 a.m. PST

Legends drop me an email at guthroth at colanhomm dot org

Thanks.

Swampking04 Apr 2017 7:36 a.m. PST

Nap. Swedes are awesome – 1808 against Russians, 1813 – continent, 1814 against Danes, 1814 against Norwegians. A great little army that has some solid infantry, solid cavalry and pretty good artillery (when they could get powder).

If I had the money, I'd take them off your hands. :)

Rittmester04 Apr 2017 8:26 a.m. PST

Swedish uniformology
swordandsabre.com/serv02.htm
R,

Rittmester04 Apr 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

E-book on the SWE army.

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rmaker04 Apr 2017 9:29 a.m. PST

Yes. And Rawkins is a rather suspect source on the Swedes. Much better is "Between the Imperial Eagles" from the Swedish Army Museum.

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP05 Apr 2017 1:09 a.m. PST

Does that comment include the 2nd edition Rawkins book?

Lonkka1Actual05 Apr 2017 1:45 a.m. PST

4th Cuirassier
Uniform in 1805 was the same as used in 1808. While my club's site has only units that took part in 1808 fighting some of those participated in 1805 fights.

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Lonkka1Actual05 Apr 2017 1:48 a.m. PST

Peter Lowitt
Oravainen was in 1808… (Sep 14th 1808)
*nitpick off* :)

Links (OBs maps etc.) from here:
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The preliminaries refight:
link

The actual battle's refight:
link

Lonkka1Actual05 Apr 2017 1:50 a.m. PST

But to anwer the question of the topic, yes I do!
The Finnish/Swedish figures featured at Gemigabok site are mine :)

SJDonovan05 Apr 2017 1:54 a.m. PST

@rmaker

What are the problems with the Rawkins title? I was planning to order it so are there any specific errors I should look out for?

Legends In Time Skip Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Apr 2017 8:26 a.m. PST

Thanks to everybody that's contributed to this discussion.
-Skip

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP05 Apr 2017 11:49 p.m. PST

SJDonovan – I have the Rawkins ebook and am also curious what rmakers issues are with it.

For my 2 cents it is a resource that has all you'll need in one book. For the price I don't think it can be beat.

SJDonovan06 Apr 2017 2:10 a.m. PST

Thanks Doctor X. I will go ahead and order it. I've got lots of the other Rawkins titles and I think they are remarkable works. I don't know where else you could find so much detail. They seem to me to be genuine labours of love.

HappyHussar07 Apr 2017 6:33 p.m. PST

Often the leaders of the nations involved in the Napoleonic Wars were not the greatest individuals to write home about. Prior to Bernadotte taking over they had a king that was probably just a tad insane. Once Bernadotte came in the nation was more stable.

While not one of our favorite Napoleonic generals, Bernadotte proved an able leader of Sweden. Funny in that all of the generals/relatives appointed by Napoleon the one that ended up doing the best was the one he never would have chosen for such a role! How ironic ;)

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