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Cyclops07 Mar 2010 12:29 a.m. PST

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Wonder what this was used for.
Edit: I had no idea there was a Dice board until I was wondering where to crosspost this to. Whatever next.

Madan Mitra07 Mar 2010 2:34 a.m. PST

err maybe…

De Bellis Detwentius ?

aecurtis Fezian07 Mar 2010 3:46 a.m. PST

This really excited the RPG community back in 2003…

I don't believe this was a gaming aid. In "Timaeus", Plato discusses the five regular polyhedra, and assigns the first four to the elements: fire, air, water, earth. Regarding the dodecahedron he wrote:

"There was yet a fifth combination which God used in the delineation of the universe."

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The dodecahedron stands for quintessence: literally, the "fifth element". It's no surprise that the markings on that artifact are astrological symbols.

Allen

Henrix07 Mar 2010 5:00 a.m. PST

(Return of the roman d20. It surfaces at least once a year. ;-) )

The markings are not astronomical. They are ordinary (for the time) greek letters*, used as numerals.

Greek was the common language in Alexandria (Egypt) at the time (and the die is not 'Roman', but Egyptian from roman times).
Greek letters doubled as numerals.

So, nothing strange. It's a d20 numbered 1-20 in the mode common to the era and place it is from.

It's not particularly unique. The Louvre in Paris has several. I suppose British Museum also has a few hiding somewhere.

Several religious and mystic groups and practices used both dice and numbers as ways to divine the future/come close to the gods/infinity. Mostly d6's were used, but others got some love as well – the d12 is particularly useful for astrological if you stick to a post-babylonian system.

(Plato was in this, as much else, influenced by the pythagoreans, who may have used the 'platonic' solids as dice. They certainly knew of them, though Plato popularised them.)

I really like the old d20. My only gripes about this is that:
a) we only ever get the same picture (the one used when it was auctioned out in 2003, when it went for, IIRC, U$ 40 000.
b) No one makes replicas. Even in plastic.

[/End of the usual rant about the roman era d20. A labour of love. ;-) ]

vojvoda07 Mar 2010 9:53 a.m. PST

Allen has a few from when he shot craps in the galley when not on the oars next to Ben Hur.

This does seem to come up at least once a year.

VR
James Mattes

Cyclops07 Mar 2010 12:06 p.m. PST

I've been coming here years and I'd never heard of it. Ah well, you live and learn.

vojvoda07 Mar 2010 1:41 p.m. PST

Thats because you were not on the dice board. Duh!
grin
VR
James Mattes

Cyclops07 Mar 2010 2:51 p.m. PST

And vojvoda rolls a natural 20.

andygamer07 Mar 2010 4:03 p.m. PST

Allen has a few from when he shot craps in the galley when not on the oars next to Ben Hur.

Allen was a volunteer in the Roman navy?

Kevin Cook07 Mar 2010 4:51 p.m. PST

That particular die sold for $17,925 USD

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I bid on it … but not nearly that much :)

vojvoda07 Mar 2010 9:10 p.m. PST

And worth every cent as it has two sides that are 20!
VR
James Mattes

Steve Hazuka09 Mar 2010 9:25 p.m. PST

Yes! XX Critical Hit

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