Cacique Caribe | 08 Feb 2010 3:06 p.m. PST |
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Wellspring | 08 Feb 2010 3:16 p.m. PST |
If I were smuggling drugs, I'd use a transdimensional projector to store them in VR. Then, as long as my ship doesn't get caught in a hyperspatial collision, I'll be scott free! link |
Cacique Caribe | 08 Feb 2010 3:22 p.m. PST |
LOL. "Scott-free"? Is that the same as storing them in a Star Trek transporter buffer, like Scotty did to save himself in stasis? link Anyway, I think that is a bit out of reach for most near future post-apocalyptic pirates. Dan |
ming31 | 08 Feb 2010 3:36 p.m. PST |
Brigade games WW1 sub is perfect . It is true 25 and waterline |
Top Gun Ace | 08 Feb 2010 3:41 p.m. PST |
I imagine a waterlined model of the Hunley would be about right
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Lion in the Stars | 08 Feb 2010 4:20 p.m. PST |
I've seen some WW2 Type XXIII and Type XXVIIb sub models in 1/72, think they were made by Imex. |
Andrew Walters | 08 Feb 2010 4:49 p.m. PST |
Perfect candidate for scratch building. These things are home made, could look like anything. Make something close, ignore any criticism. Andrew |
ravachol | 08 Feb 2010 7:10 p.m. PST |
cold war russian ones would certainly fit the bill
think of all those that were left unatended during the worst financial shortcuts overthere . |
Cacique Caribe | 08 Feb 2010 7:14 p.m. PST |
Hmm. Did the Russians ever make small subs like those during the Cold War, or were all sides in a race to make everything bigger too? Dan |
John the OFM | 08 Feb 2010 7:46 p.m. PST |
See Murophy. Maybe you can use the down time in his shipyard. |
Etranger | 09 Feb 2010 5:30 a.m. PST |
There are some 1/144 submarines available in plastic kit form too. They might be more suitable than 1/72 or larger. 1/72 Subs are quite big! |
Klebert L Hall | 09 Feb 2010 6:49 a.m. PST |
Should be really easy to scratchbuild. Those things aren't very elaborate. I really wish people would stop calling them submarines though – they're really just very low freeboard vessels, kinda like a David or Polyphemus. I have yet to hear of one that was actually a sub. -Kle. |
Lion in the Stars | 09 Feb 2010 12:49 p.m. PST |
No, the one's I'm talking about are very small. The Type XXIII is 114 feet long (ok, 13" loa may be a little big for the table) link while the Type XXVIIb Seehund is really tiny: 40 feet long en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seehund The 1/72 model of the Seehund would be about 6.5" long, which is a great size for a 1/100 ship. |
Paint it Pink | 09 Feb 2010 3:50 p.m. PST |
Or the Pendraken 10mm sub might work? |
Cacique Caribe | 09 Feb 2010 4:19 p.m. PST |
Pendraken? These u-boats? link Don't see pics, though. Dan |
Klebert L Hall | 10 Feb 2010 8:32 a.m. PST |
Not sure how to do unfinished fiberglass in 15mm which is what most of these are made of. Cast it in bondo. Then the surface of the mini is
unfinished fiberglass. -Kle. |
Top Gun Ace | 10 Feb 2010 4:05 p.m. PST |
From the photos and TV footage I have seen of them, they aren't much to look at. Either cylindrical, or slab-sided contruction of an elongated vessel, with a little hatch near the front. Usually, no conning tower to speak of. Sometimes they have exhause pipes running along the dorsal spine, with the ends back under the water (these are presumably clad in some type of insulation material, to impair thermal detection). They are very crudely built, and I would certainly not want to get on board, or in one. You can probably make one out of a half-dowel of the desired size, and/or half of a plastic pipe, if you want a waterline model. Just add a sharp, or rounded bow and stern section, and put it on a base with some sculpted on waves/water. The cruder the construction, the more accurate the model, in many cases. Paint a blue, or green, of your desired color, and add white water flowing over the entire vessel. When running, they are hard to see from the horizon, but when overhead, they kick up a bit of white water, and leave a decent-sized wake. |
Cacique Caribe | 10 Feb 2010 6:08 p.m. PST |
Top Gun, Half round dowel? You are da man! Thanks so much. Dan PS. This one is definitely scary-looking: picture I wonder how many of those are littering the bottom of the sea. |
Cacique Caribe | 10 Feb 2010 8:54 p.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 10 Feb 2010 9:56 p.m. PST |
Very post apcalyptic! They sell those drums split in half, right? Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 10 Feb 2010 10:39 p.m. PST |
Hmmm. Check this out: picture If this has a top fin on the back, wouldn't that mean that it submerges (instead of just floating low, above the surface)? Otherwise, it will stick like up like a flag, for all to see, right? Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 10 Feb 2010 11:03 p.m. PST |
"Dude, how did you spot us?" "Sir, how couldn't we? You had a huge fin sticking out of the water!" "But it looks cool, right?" Dan |
War Monkey | 11 Feb 2010 8:48 p.m. PST |
Looking close at the one picture posted here and it looks like they were bolted in! I didn't see a hatch! All I saw was bolts!and just a couple of pipes welded in for air holes! I know they want to biuld these things cheap but no way are you going to push me out to sea in that thing! |
Dances With Words | 12 Feb 2010 4:14 a.m. PST |
Hey CC, you want a 'Fin' and something 'classic'
here ya go! (I think Disney still has some left over from their Ride of a few years back!) picture I can even provide a squid or two for 'attacking' if ya like??? Slish! Sgt DWW |
Lion in the Stars | 13 Feb 2010 12:45 p.m. PST |
The ICM kit I was referring to is 165mm long and has a decent-size conning tower. It is $25 USD for a full-hull model, though. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Aug 2010 10:32 a.m. PST |
Wasn't there some movie in the 50s or 60s about a group that resurrects a U-boat to conduct illegal smuggling, or raids of some sort? I seem to recall that, at the end, the sub gets rammed and cut in half by a military ship. Dan TMP link TMP link |
Cog Comp | 17 Aug 2010 10:53 a.m. PST |
As of May, the Submarines of the Drug Smugglers of S. America have been shown to be capable of full submersion. One example was captured in a raid in a shoreline marsh/forest in Colombia and one of the men captured has said that several more were built in other locations. The sub was capable of submerging and remaining at a shallow depth running on a gasoline/diesel motor for the entire trip, or cutting to electric power for small durations and submerging even deeper (it's estimated maximum depth couldn't have been very deep though, considering how the vessels were made). The technology used by smugglers is only going to get better due to the massive amounts of cash the illicit drug industry creates, and the massive demand for drugs doesn't seem to be going away. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Aug 2010 11:05 a.m. PST |
Someone answered my question elsewhere: link I seriously doubt that a miniature game version of that film could be played, but it's still fun to imagine. Dan |
Farstar | 17 Aug 2010 11:16 a.m. PST |
For models that are not "real", the Dwarven submarines for Uncharted Seas by Spartan Games have waterline models and related "submerged" markers. |
Warbeads | 17 Aug 2010 11:51 a.m. PST |
"
I wonder how many of those are littering the bottom of the sea
" Not enough
Bring back Depth Charges! Gracias, Glenn Rant: Eliminate the profit/market, eliminate the high volume "business" might be long term better but depth charges are cheaper. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Aug 2010 2:35 p.m. PST |
"Bring back Depth Charges!" Hmm. When did they stop using them? Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Aug 2010 2:39 p.m. PST |
Farstar, Do you mean these "Belcher class" subs? link How big are they? Do you know if they would work as small subs for 15mm? Dan |
Farstar | 17 Aug 2010 2:39 p.m. PST |
"When did they stop using them?" When submarine warfare stopped being overt? I think the USN still practices anti-submarine warfare involving depth charges, but drug smugglers are the territory of the Coast Guard. Also, depth charges and a Gulf seascape dotted with oil platforms is really not a good mix
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Farstar | 17 Aug 2010 3:10 p.m. PST |
Do you mean these "Belcher class" subs? That's the one. IIRC the waterline model is about 3" long. |
Lion in the Stars | 17 Aug 2010 6:43 p.m. PST |
Little small for 15mm, good for 6mm or smaller, then |
Cog Comp | 17 Aug 2010 8:36 p.m. PST |
Farstar, Yes
Even if the Navy were to get involved, it would still have the same problems as the Coast Guard with these toy submarines. They tend to shadow in the baffles of larger ships, and will run between areas they know the Coast Guard is not able to either track them easily or fight effectively if they can spot them. How does one open fire on a sub that is just a few yards behind a large cargo ship or tanker? |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Aug 2010 8:45 p.m. PST |
How about just dropping a huge net with sandbags on them? :) Let's see how buoyant that submarine really is, right? Dan |
Cog Comp | 18 Aug 2010 1:41 a.m. PST |
Personally, I would rather not see any more effort expended on something that will ultimately just contribute to more violence
However, a big net with sandbags would probably work if you could find a way to get it over the sub. Remember, they tend to follow large ships closely, and you would have to make certain you didn't foul the big ship in the process (especially its props) |
Lion in the Stars | 18 Aug 2010 11:24 a.m. PST |
How does one open fire on a sub that is just a few yards behind a large cargo ship or tanker? If they're that close to a tanker or box-boat, have the tanker speed up. I'm pretty sure those little subs can't maintain 15 knots submerged for very long. Also, they're going to get bounced all over the place that close to a merchie's screws. I'd ask the merchie crew to allow some visitors, and drop the big net from the back of the merchie. Problem solved. |