"Have 6mm gamers lost the stomach for WAR" Topic

what I mean is many constantly decry the lack of new products. Yet when poeple do come out with new product they don't get supported. Some examples The larger scales happily tool around the table in Mastifs jackals and BV106s If it wasn't for GHQ we might not be able to field armies for ultramodern they produce proper humvees at least 2 versions of MRAP ,Strikers with slat armour kits Bufulow EOD and now the tusk. But the brits have been neclected Ive seen a master by lovejoy for the mastif for scotia i think but thats it but no upgraded chaly2 with RWS and dinner plate jammer aray still no BV106 or Bull dog ,no free world model of the Husky/meercat Mine detection vehicle…No Aussie ASLAV Lav3 family no tiger AH .No Canadian C1s or C2s
or thier TLav M113s or their lav3s No Dannish Leo2IMPs with the funky cammo/cooling sheet no dannish LAV3 or M113a3s..New players Like gamecraft minis have been lured away from thier roots and now produce buildings and battlefield accesories in the larger scales WHY becouse those folks spend money and these manufactures need to eat.
My semi modern covert river and amphibious collection got stoped cold I have 13 IRBs from scoitia navwars and 4 SOCRS from PT Dockyard He had planed on filling out the gap SSB,RIBsand the remaining gun and patrolboats to conduct river and inshore ops Like in Iraq and the Pirate situation but I don't think anyone bought any besides me . These models where and are very beuatyful Im glad i got my 4 …Gamecraft makes some of the most stunning sceanics in 1/285th that I have ever seen and his aircraft where incredible 6mm its time to cowboy up and demand new product and then support the folks who take the risk to provide them….mikey

Could you post that again, with some more punctuation added?

OUch…I gave up after err…maybe the first dozen words???

This phenomenon is not new.

Gracias,

Glenn

Maybe the thing to do is start up a 6mm company and learn how much money there is to be made at it.

Allen

probably due to the ageing wargamer population and their failing eyesight …

Pete Berry seems to be doing OK at Baccus.

But he doesn't go near WWII or moderns, and from conversations I have had with him he isn't likely to either.

I don't think Pete's sculpting style would translate well to vehicles.

6mm tends to be a "budget" scale, so catering for the esoteric is a problem – unless people are going to buy dozens of a model, you need a *lot* of customers, and they're not out there.

Dom
Is any scale a "Budget" scale. I think I have invested easily several thousand dollars over the last year alone. I also game in 10mm and Im considering 20mm for skirmish as well…IN fact i may order some decals for 6mm aircraft from you, shall I expect a "Budget" scale price from you?….mikey

Is any scale a "Budget" scale.

Depends upon your definition of the word "budget"…currently for me my "budget scale is 15mm"…my "wish I had more money to get the cool stuff scale" is 25/28mm…

I think I have invested easily several thousand dollars over the last year alone.

Yes, but one several thousand dollar customer alone does keep an entire industry scale alive and economically viable.

I usually spend around a thousand a year for minis and stuff, but this year have cut back dramatically.

I also game in 10mm and Im considering 20mm for skirmish as well…

Good for you!

IN fact i may order some decals for 6mm aircraft from you, shall I expect a "Budget" scale price from you?….mikey

I wonder if you ask that question of all the companies that you've spent several thousand dollars on for your hobby?
No need to be snarky to Dom, he's just giving it to you from a business end…

I agree with the terminology "budget scale". I went to 6mm precisely because of the reduced costs (in price, room, time to paint, storage, transport).

But then, it seems I am drawn again to paper wargames that basically have quite a lot of gaming value for only USD 60…

Dom's prices ARE fairly budget IMHO!

I game a lot of 6mm and was driven by the price, the time to paint and field and the storage. Over time, I have invested 1000s of dollars but I have way more men than if I had stuck with 15mm. Instead of collecting a Corps or 2 in 15mm I now have around 8 Corps of 6mm – more figures, and am still going. This has led me to expand into earlier excapades and collect more armies and even into other periods such as ACW and collect even more armies.

Would I have spent the same $$ on 15mm collections? Maybe? Probably not. I see the value in 6mm and the advantages as major pluses for spending my hard earned money. I don't remember feeling the same way when I was collecting 15mm.

I agree that some producers such as Pete Barry seem to be doing okay in making a living out of it. But then he is a real 6mm ambassador and markets such to new and fringe wargamers. I think most other producers of any range seem to focus on preaching to the already converted. There are only so many of them to go around.

I recently had such a conversation with a producer here in Australia. He said the community in Australia is too small to support another producer. I asked him if middle aged men have bought his product. He said yes. Then I asked him if young men have bought his product. He said yes. Then I asked him if some women have bought his product. He said yes. Then I asked him if teenagers have bought his product. He said yes. So there you have it, I said, 25 million people in Australia all fall into those 4 categories that you have already sold to. He responded with that with "but not all of them are gamers". To which I simply said, "not yet".

I think the future of good livings in this industry is in reaching those who have never or have only rarely seen this hobby. There are a lot more potential gamers out there than most realise. GW did it.

David
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All discussion of irrelevant title or incomprehensible text aside, it would indeed be nice to see new product hitting the shelves as it hits the real world; things like the new Strykers and improved Leopards and whatnot. But some of it is a question of feasibility -- how much call is there for a Danish M113 over a US M113? Some folks would say that the effort expended to tailor a vehicle to such a narrow and specific audience would be better spent elsewhere, such as sculpting an all new vehicle.

Now, the Leopard IIPSO or TUSK-equipped Abrams… that would be sweet. Personally, though, I'm still waiting on GHQ to give us some Iraqi T-55 Enigmas. *sigh*

Thank you all for your insight and thoughts.
First I ment to be humerous to don as i took his Budget comment in the same way, so sorry don if you thought I was being snarky.
the Danish M113 is relevent becouse of its conversion factor it has the newer version of add on armour..Im trying to do a FV432 bulldog so I have to sculpt that armour and try to use the slat armour for the striker to replicate the bar armour of the Bull dog.
But all I would have to do is replace the turret of the Danish M113 with a RWS to get close to the newest US version.Your comment about money spent on a complete new vehicle is very relevent. I just wish there where more new vehicles to buy…I make no apology for bad grammer Im a gamer and minor amature history Buff and i could have sworn this was a gaming forum. If bill had wanted good grammer he would have given us spell check eh…..Mikey

Thd problem for all manufacturers of ultra-moderns is the constantly changing array of kit. Doing a comprehensive line for WW2 is easy as the number of vehicle models is finite.

I haven't even painted my latest lot of 'ultra modern' Brits and they are already out of date – wrong body armour, wrong helmets and their L85s haven't got those daft new handgrips.

My 6mm moderns stay firmly in the Cold War, as we know when that ended….

You know what might do the trick for your Danish M113's would be a sheet of Plastruct's or Evergreen's "clapboard siding" in its smallest scale. A small strip of that on each side of an APC would give you the slat-armor look you're after.

Martin you are too right…Javelin its not the slat but the triangle looking side hull armour….but i will definately check out your sugestion

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Look at that! A TUSK-equipped Abrams! God bless GHQ.