"Has Republic to Empire Been Released?" Topic

This morning, on my usual obsessive trawl through the eBay gaming listings I came across one for Republic to Empire.

Have these now been released?

M.

Yes, the book is now in stock. Pre-orders started going out yesterday and other orders will be filled as fast as possible!

Excellent News.

Also – as something of an expert in this area will you forgive me mentioning that the marketing of the plastic counters isn't being done well?

There should be mere information on what/how they will be used. They should also be offered as sets without the book and as paired sats [e.g. Brit Vs French, French Vs Austrian].

Michael.

Link? Never heard of them…

Shop here: link

I assume there is a news release on the way/in the queue for TMP wrt the launch?

Michael.
Just had a look at your link and the markers seem to be avaiable by country with different packs for each and information for their use ?

Mick

If I understand correctly the sets are for different aspects – e.g. moving, casualties, ammo etc. To play using the counters you would need a 'set of sets' – i.e one of each currently listed per side. I think it might be a good idea to offer that 'set of sets' as a package deal.

For me the items listed miss two crucial versions/packages.

One luxury package of the rulebook and two complete sets of counters

One package of all the counters for a specific nation [but no book].

This would reflect the expected pattern of a minority wanting the whole shebang [technical term] but the majority starting off with just the book.

The first thing a noticed when I used your link was the fact (as you mention) that there was no rule book and 2 sets of markers on offer.

to me it reads you can buy the rules + one nation's markers.
or you can buy 5 sub-sets of markers for your nation

meaning 10 sub-sets of markers for a game?

or one set of rules + national markers AND 5 more sub-sets for the other side.

I think midpoint is on the button here.

I would expect to make one purchase for the rules and two full sets of markers.

then the individual packs are useful, should I find an excess need to casualties, or whatever.

as midpoint says. missing aree the obvious (to me and he)

- one rules + 2 sets of national counters

- one set of all counters for one nation.

- mind you, I can't see myself shelling out 110 quid for two full sets of coloured plastic markers and then still needing the rules on top of it.
And the artillery markers are more expensive again.

Keraunos
I agree with his fourth post. but what he said in his second 'There should be mere information on what/how they will be used. They should also be offered as sets without the book' was not totally correct. They are offered without the book and (imho) i thought the information about them on the site was ok.

Mick

Yes the rules were available for the first time at the TARGE show held in Kirriemuir Scotland last weekend.

Got my copy there.

A serious set of rules, concepts developed a long way from Barrie's previous Beneath the Lilly Banners rules.

Includes lots of designer info and worked thru examples. I think the latter comes from the numerous trial games that were held at my club – the SESWC. Very glossy with lots of superb photos.

Not sure where to start with the direction this thread has gone :)

First of all, the counters are not required to play REPUBLIC TO EMPIRE. All of the tried and true methods of marking orders, conditions, and casualties used since the inception of games that see you pushing toy soldiers around a table will work just fine. In that the sense, the counters ARE the luxury item, though I will mention the two nation sets to Barry.

The counters were broken down into smaller sets because some people might find them useful for other games. For instance, The Movement Point chips could be used in any game to replace poker chips, card chits, and the like for tracking various battlefield expenditures (Piquet and Napoleon come to mind right away and I'm sure there are a dozen others).

I also thought the info on the website listed under each counter was ok. They're uses will be obvious if one has the book and if someone would like to use them for a different game, than I suppose he will have his own ideas. I will be happy to go into more detail regarding specific questions regarding the counters.

The announcement for the book release is in the queue, though there have been countdown notices over the last few weeks on TMP(approval of the proofs, pre-orders available, etc.). I didn't want to constantly be plugging the thing, though I guess now's the time! Certainly for those who missed it, you can see previews of the book at quindia.com and see ongoing discussions at leagueofaugsburg.com.

Ask and you shall receive. From the LoA forum…

'Hear there is some demand on TMP for Republic to Empire with a 'two army 'deal on gaming Markers.

That will be easy to solve. If there is a demand for such a deal, email Gwen at wordtwister@hotmail.co.uk and we'll put an option up in the shop. Really pleased at the way the counters are going… flying out'

Barry Hilton

My copy arrived today, have not had a proper read yet but very impressive, quality production with lots of inspiring photos.
Should work well with figures based for other rules and especially Grand Manner or General de Brigade, although the three bases deep attack columns are not favoured by the author thanks to their extreme depth. There are lengthy sections that explain ground scale, formations and figure scale etc.

My copy arrived today and I have spent the evening reading them. First impressions are:

1. Really high production values.

2. Well thought-out rules.

3. Quite complex rules.

4. I want to play them!

Colin

Ok,

Having had a couple of days to read the rules, we had a small (reinforced division per side) game of them today. We played the sample scenario that is included in the rulebook.

Initial thoughts are that the rules play well, give a fun game and generally deliver sensible results.

However, a couple of issues (and these may be down to personal prejudice) came up:

1. We did not like the "pip based" order system, especially the mechanism that requires the player to spend pips on maintaining a formation's current orders each turn. To give an example: In move 1, I ordered a French brigade to attack a particular Netherlands position; this cost me "pips". On the following and subsequent moves, I had to spend further "pips" to keep the brigade doing what I had told it to. This does not feel right; once a general had given a formation an order to do something, he did not usually have to keep sending it further orders to do so every 10-20 minutes. However, the "Exploitation" use of the pips is a brilliant concept.

2. We also did not really like the "buckets of dice" firing mechanism. At first, it was fun but this soon wore off as the constant "roll a d3 to see how many extra dice you throw, then halve the number of dice for moving, then halve again because the enemy are in cover" began to grate.

Having said that, despite these comments, we will certainly play them again (possibly many times) as the overall feel of the rules is really good, and we may be able to overcome the niggles.

There will certainly be personal prejudices with any rule set (just troll the Napoleonic forums for a few minutes)! Colin, it sounds like you had fun which is the primary goal of R2E!

One thing I'd like to mention about Manoeuvre Points (pips) – The mechanism actually represents the entire command structure of each brigade rather than just the general's orders. If they are viewed as the product of NCO's, Captains, etc. exhorting their battalions along, the need to maintain existing orders might make more sense…

Quindia,

I can see where the model for the MP system is coming from; I just happen not to like it and to think that it is not a good representation of the entire command structure. However, that probably says more about my prejudices than it does about the rules, as does my comment about the dice!

The rules are both fun and challenging; our little group of players were very impressed with them. I suspect that we will be adopting them as our standard set and I also highly recommend them to others.

Colin

Quindia,

I can see where the model for the MP system is coming from; I just happen not to like it and to think that it is not a good representation of the entire command structure. However, that probably says more about my prejudices than it does about the rules, as does my comment about the dice!

The rules are both fun and challenging; our little group of players were very impressed with them. I suspect that we will be adopting them as our standard set and I also highly recommend them to others.

Colin

Have read most of the rules now and they look fun to play with some interesting concepts.
I like the look of the MP system and think it could be useful for solo play.
The rest order looks a good idea and does sound right from battle desciptions of troops held in reserve. might need a deep gaming table though to be used without fear of the troops getting caught.

What a fantastic book.I`ve hardly read the rules im to busy looking at the photos of the well painted figures,inspiring.

"well painted figures",I do the painters a dis-service,I should of wrote brilliantly painted figures.