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raducci13 Nov 2009 6:40 p.m. PST

Dirty white?
Any suggestions?

Doc Ord13 Nov 2009 6:49 p.m. PST

They were made from leather so I use a tan or light brown color.

Jana Wang13 Nov 2009 9:01 p.m. PST

A woman's linen apron would have been as white as she could keep it, out of pride and the belief that cleanliness equaled morality. And since linen bleaches naturally in the sun someone would have to be a real sloven to not have white linens.

When it comes to painting, blue-grey makes a nice wash for white, to bring out the details.

DeanMoto13 Nov 2009 10:49 p.m. PST

For French, white or off-white link For variety, you could paint the apron off-white and the cross-belts white – or vice versa. Same as the gloves, the cuffs could be white and the hands/fingers off-white.

For British, brown leather – at least from painted examples I've seen.

For other nationalities, no clue.

raducci14 Nov 2009 12:30 a.m. PST

For French SYW.
I'll go off-white then.

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2009 1:00 p.m. PST

"White" depended on how demanding the Colonel was with the appearance of his troops. For the most part, the aprons would have been stored with the tools in their cart.

However, during their use, they would be stained from wet wood, lichen and underbrush when clearing woods.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

Musketier14 Nov 2009 1:02 p.m. PST

For SYW Prussians, brown leather – no bleaching or pipeclaying apparently.

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2009 1:35 p.m. PST

Most likely for reasons of economy. The main element needed for treatment and bleaching was urine. If the urine producing animals were slaughtered or most likely captured (as in Bohemia), that would put a crimp in the tannery process.

Secondly, alkaline lime was needed to achieve the desired colour. For Frederick, it was easier to capture enemy units (Saxons) and strip them of their equipment.

This begs the question, how many contractors looked over the border (the enemy) to supply their employer's requirements.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

Musketier15 Nov 2009 4:10 a.m. PST

Occupied Saxony certainly provided lots of resources towards Frederick's war effort, but I'm not sure that stripping captured units of equipment was part of that equation. After all, the Saxons captured at Pirna were converted to Prussian units en bloc, and re-issued with Prussian uniforms and equipment – which they then took with them deserting to the Austrians.

Musketier15 Nov 2009 4:26 a.m. PST

Reverting to the OP and the French army, for what it's worth the Funckens show a grenadier carpenter of Navarre for 1775 with a plain bearskin cap and black apron, a colour they explicitly confirm in the text – albeit based on a 1766 ordinance.

wayneempire16 Nov 2009 4:30 p.m. PST

Subject: What would be a good material(aluminum foil?) to add to a 15mm scale Napoleonic miniature figure, to create a pioneer or sapper figure? Would some other metal work better, so as to "add an apron", to a 15mm miniature figure?

Never have successfully did any conversions to any 15mm figures….think larger scales are easier for add-ons…


Wayne

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP17 Nov 2009 5:47 p.m. PST

I would prefer "body putty". A section laid flat and in a rectangular shape pressed on to the figure. Apply the apron before the base coat.

The Old Glory SYW Austrians have a few pioneers with aprons and slung musket smoking a clay pipe. A very neat figure.

Cheers,

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