Extra Crispy | 10 Nov 2009 9:18 p.m. PST |
I picked up a copy of these at Fall In. They are (c) 1976 and written by S. Craig Taylor. Anyone know if they have any relation to the one by Scott Monsour (same title different cover)? |
Murphy | 10 Nov 2009 9:33 p.m. PST |
No they are not! Sorry if I sound edgy, but the RRTF rules written, if I am correct about the copy you have, should have been copyrighted by Heritage Miniatures and have "THE IRON BRIGADE" company logo on the heading. They are entirely TWO different rules sets
There are some other things "in the works right now", about them, but I cannot discuss them here EC. Shoot me a PM and I'll fill you in. |
Shagnasty | 10 Nov 2009 9:39 p.m. PST |
Old is good in this case. |
rusty musket | 11 Nov 2009 6:25 a.m. PST |
I loved the old Rally Round the Flag rules. They were regimental level and a lot of fun! |
Skeptic | 11 Nov 2009 8:42 a.m. PST |
Yep, they were a great set of rules. I liked how units would rout, rally, and then come back for more. |
mosby65 | 12 Nov 2009 2:04 p.m. PST |
Count me as an admirer as well. I spent many a pleasant hour playing his Rally Round the Flag rules. And I still play his Ship O' the Line Napoleonic sailing ship miniature rules ( the source for A-H's classic Wooden Ships and Iron Men Napoleonic naval boardgame ). There are many fine historical miniature wargame authors working today, but designers from the early years of the hobby can still teach a thing ot two abount good wargame design. I hope he is well and still active in the hobby. |
redmist1122 | 15 Nov 2009 9:00 p.m. PST |
First set of gaming rules for me, loved them. Anyone selling them? |
Idoites1 | 25 Nov 2009 9:11 p.m. PST |
If the book is indeed "1976" it is still Heritage, not Iron Brigade. The IB product had the "Flag & Drums" logo on the cover, lower right I belive. |
1968billsfan | 26 Jul 2014 6:02 a.m. PST |
My 1975 Battleline Publications book has a picture of some Union Zouaves firing from behind a low mound on the cover. Is the "…. copyrighted by Heritage Miniatures and have "THE IRON BRIGADE" company logo on the heading…" a different set? What is the relation between Keritage Miniatures and Battleline? Are these still in print and who owns the copyright? |
TKindred | 26 Jul 2014 8:07 a.m. PST |
When I was stationed with the Navy down to Jacksonville, I used to game with a group called The Black Sheep Wargamers. They played the original Rally Round The Flag rules and it was, indeed, a lot of fun. Virtually all their minis were 1/72 Airfix plastic sets, but this whole thread brings back some very fond memories. I still have those rules up on my shelf. |
svsavory | 26 Jul 2014 6:55 p.m. PST |
These were my first ACW rules as well (the Battleline version). We too used Airfix figures. Lots of fun. I had forgotten that S. Craig Taylor was the author. |
mrtexseals | 29 Jul 2014 6:01 a.m. PST |
Love RRF. Still play and base figured to their standard. Although the bases are a bit narrow for today's figures so I widen them to 3/4 or even a full inch. It really only matters if you fight in buildings. |
Old Contemptibles | 30 Jul 2014 11:56 a.m. PST |
Different rules. Don't how they get away with using that title. The old RRF was my first set too. I thought about going back to them until I saw what the problem is with them. The movement scale if I remember correctly was much too slow. Don't have my copy with me but I think movement in line was something like 2 inches. I think increasing the movement rate screws up a lot of other things. Great memories! |
svsavory | 30 Jul 2014 12:31 p.m. PST |
Yes, the movement rates were painfully slow. Another strange quirk was that artillery fire effectiveness was heavily dependent on the weight of shot. So, a 20-pound Parrott rifle was significantly more deadly than a 10-pound rifle or even a 12-pound smoothbore. As I recall, we banned 20-pound rifles in our games. Still, as they were my first set of ACW rules, I remain very nostalgic about them. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 24 Aug 2023 9:51 p.m. PST |
Don't how they get away with using that title. Since the words come from the 1862 song Battle Cry of Freedom, perhaps they cannot copyright it? (Also a 1958 film.) |
KimRYoung | 25 Aug 2023 7:39 a.m. PST |
I have the 3rd printing (1982) edition. They are by S. Craig Taylor, copyright 1976 Heritage Models and have the Iron Brigade Miniatures logo on the cover. Iron Brigade Miniatures would buy the 25mm ACW line from Heritage (along with their colonial line and others). Heritage published these when the deal to publish Johnny Reb fell through. They never gained much popularity due to the odd mounting and the Extremely Slow move rate relative to the firing ranges. by 1980 Stars n Bars became the hot game along with Johnny Reb. Like many early ACW miniature games, mounting of figures became the show stopper for many of us. In 1977 I started mounting all my 15mm Heritage ACW three figures on 1" x 3/4" bases for infantry and two figures on 1" square for cavalry and artillery for my own Glory Road rules. So glad when Fire & Fury came along with the same idea! Kim |
Normal Guy | 26 Aug 2023 1:54 p.m. PST |
Many pleasant memories from back in the day with those rules, Many cut their gaming teeth on those rules. I do believe Mr. Taylor is no longer with us. |
Old Contemptible | 27 Aug 2023 1:50 a.m. PST |
Played lots of Rally Round the Flag and they were fun. The movement was really slow but still fun. I just sold both my copies of my original RRTF so don't give me seller's remorse! |