"Plans of the Allied on the invation of France." Topic

Reading about that, it seems that the Allies entering France had no design of restoring the House of Bourbon, or of imposing any Government whatever on the French people. They came to destroy and not to found. That which they wished to destroy from the commencement of their success was Napoleon's supremacy.

If it would be true, which was the planning of the Allied if not put on the throne again fat Louis?.

I know that the English want the Bourbons again, but what about the rest of the Allied?

Amicalement
Armand

You've contradicted yourself twice there. Care to have another go?

Dear Connard Sage, sorry if I cannot be well understood.

The idea was to ask if the Allied (with the exception of the English) had no plans to put fat Louis in the thone.

That only the English want that and if any of the forum members knows which was the person which the rest of the Allied want at the head of the goberment of France.

Amicalement
Armand

Considering that the rest of the allies were patriarchal monarchies of one form or another, and that they had been fighting republicanism and/or an upstart 'emperor' for the past twenty years, I don't think they were going to be keen to upset the status quo do you?

"Well chaps, we've defeated Bonaparte, shall we not bother restoring monarchy to France?"

"No let's not. It was much better as a republic"

"Hang on. I think I see a flaw in that plan…"

Armand, not meaning to be contrary, but I agree with Connard, the other European monarchs wanted another monarch in France, and to be honest Fat Louis was probably not much of a threat to his neighbours (or to anyone else, except the French tax payer)

Dear Armand
The French monarchy was the only option for the European powers. To permit anything else would undermine them.

There was a requirement to balance the powers of Europe once again. This could only be done with France. Prussia and Russia allied themselves to be balanced by Austria, Britain and France. This split could have been used to good effect if Napoleon had arrived in 1816 when the Congress of Vienna had concluded and the alliances were clear.

Britain would have liked a constitutional monarchy but that was not to come to pass until 1830 when Louis was replaced by Charles X. This did not last long and Napoleon III became president in 1848 and then Emperor a few years later. The situation of France was not sorted alas with the defeat of Napoleon III in 1870s by the Prussians with the setting up of yet another republic.

Britain needed an independent Netherlands as this meant that they could control the English Channel. This succeeded until 1830 when Belgium with assistance of France became independent.

Stephen

But wasn't the Tzar Alexander who proposed Bernadotte to rule the French Goberment?.

And the Emperor of Austria didn't think about his grandson in the thone?.

Amicalement
Armand

I know that Bernadotte presented himself as an option. I do not know of the Tsar Apexander doing so. He would not want a Baltic oponent in even more powerful position.

The Austrians may have thought but it would not be so.

Stephen

I ask the question because I always thought that "on a table" of negotiation of the future of France, each part had an "as" to put there.

I had read about the British proposal (fat Louis)and some "conversations" of the Tzar as I said before, but never had see any about Prussians, Austrians, Spanish or German states.

So, the matter was that as the English said: "Fat Louis", and all of the Allied powers answer: "o.k., why not?".

It's difficult to believe that!.

Amicalement
Armand

You really haven't thought this through

Who else would they propose?

The House of Bourbon had legitimate claim to the throne and, as the younger brother of Louis XVI, Louis had been de facto monarch since the death of Louis XVII in 1795.

The allies had little choice. France must have a king, and Louis was it. It was pretty much a fait d'accompli. What do you reckon the result of foisting a pretender upon the French people would have been?

but never had see any about…Spanish…states

You do know why Spain out of all wouldn't object to a Bourbon king I hope? Otherwise you really are arguing from an attitude of ignorance.

I'm not sure that 'thinking through' necessarily has much place in Armand's motivational processes. Possibly a bit more of a scattergun mentality, it would seem.

Why so agressive, guys?.

I had only post a simple question.

I understand that the Bourbons were the first choise, but I wonder to know if on some documents that I had never access some of the forum members can do it and said something about the plans of other Allied Goberments.

That's all.
A sad thing when you became agresors for nothing.
Please, a little of respect.

Amicalement
Armand

Mastering English grammar before posting always help. I found out that auto spell check is a good thing…

Connard, the views of the Spanish on who should assume the crown of France were hardly a major concern of the Allies.

Austria certainly favoured an emasculated Napoleon on the throne as a potential counter to Russian and/or Prussian threats to Austrian interests. However, this view crumbled in the face of the reality that Napoleon did not really want a peace that left him in control of just pre-revolutionary France.

Everyone else wanted Napoleon gone, and Louis XVIII was indeed the only real alternative.

On another note, the personal comments about Armand really are uncalled for; they say far more about those who make them than they do about him.

Connard, the views of the Spanish on who should assume the crown of France were hardly a major concern of the Allies.

I didn't say that they were. Armand threw the Spanish into the mix. I pointed out that a Bourbon monarchy is hardly going to object to a Bourbon monarchy next door.

Mastering English grammar before posting always help. I found out that auto spell check is a good thing…

I still love irony

Armand,

Please continue to post. Ignore those in bad moods. We need MORE non-English speakers here, not less.

Best,

Bill

Mr. Widowson, many thanks for your kindly words!.

Don't worry about that. Even when it is a bad moment to read some usefull agressions, my intention is to share and lern with the forum members.

Many thanks for your support.

Amicalement
Armand