"Four battalions of Pavlovsk Grenadiers" Topic

I have four battalions of Pavlovsk Grenadiers at 32 figuers each battalion. I know that the regiment had only two battalions, but the mitre caps are so cool. Could I use the other two battlions for any other units in Russia, in the napoleonic wars.

What period?

You could use one as the depot battalion of the regiment, which was formed up with the depot battalions of the other grenadier regiments to make a brigade in Wittgenstein's (?) army defending the approaches to St. Petersburg. These Pavlovs became famous for capturing an entire French advanced guard while they were deployed as rear-guard.

Yes, down side but you'll have to do the army of Paul I from the 1799 campaign. His attempts to recreate the army of Frederick the Great extended to the grenadiers. The up side you get the army of Souvorov.

If memory serves, the Pavlovskis gained an additional field battalion when they were taken into the Imperial Guard in 1812 or 1813. The uniform was slightly different in teh guard, but not terribly noticeable in 15mm.

"The uniform was slightly different in teh guard, but not terribly noticeable in 15mm."

Actually it is. When they were grenadiers they had the plain green coat, but when they joined the guard they got the green coat with the red plastron on the front, the same as the other 'young' Guards regiments.

But you're right in that the Guards lace on the collar isn't terribly noticable.

Mserafin –

Spot on and 100% better said than my ham-handed attempt. The early period infantry also had different kit, so that may or may not be an issue as well. Again, in 15mm it might not matter. I had some old 15mm AB Russian grenadiers in mitres that I used as Pavlovskis without an issue. Now I have two units, one guard dressed as you described and one line. It gave me a reason to paint all the figures I had.

30 April 1802 –– All Army infantry regiments are ordered to consist of three four-company battalions: the Life Grenadiers –– of three Grenadier battalions; other Grenadiers –– of one Grenadier and two Fusilier [Fuzelernyi] battalions; Musketeers –– of one Grenadier and two Musketeer battalions; Jägers –– of three Jäger battalions

12 October 1810 –– Regiments of Army infantry were ordered to make the following changes in their organization:
1.) In each Grenadier regiment (except the Life-Grenadiers), instead of one Grenadier and two Fusilier battalions, there were to be three Fusilier battalions, of one Grenadier and three Fusilier companies. ….

See:

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It should be noted that the Pavlov fusiliers wore a fusilier mitre in place of a grenadier mitre. It was slightly lower without the pompom. Sooo, start filing! <;^}

Big Al

I wondered if you were going to get around to mentioning that… You are a great, bad man… ;-)

Nev,

I call 'um like I see 'um.

Big Al

Previous TMP thread:

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Steven, what is your source for suggesting that the Pavlov fusilier companies wore a different mitre than the grenadiers? I have several period pictures of the Pavlov Grenadiers and I find no evidence to this effect. Also, I have several Russian uniform books and no mention of this difference between the companies.

MB,

Do you mean other than the information presented above?

Big Al

The order, dated 20.i.1808 (os), providing for the retention of ‘caps' for the Pavlovsk grenadier regiment is found in the PSZ, vol 30, Nr 22763, pp 28-29. This can be viewed at:

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