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Cuirassier31 Oct 2009 2:03 p.m. PST

Could someone share some light on this? What really happened there? Units involved? Was it a cavalry battle?

Thanks in advance.

Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 3:33 p.m. PST

Perhaps someone will have access to:

Foucart, commandant. Une division de cavalerie légère en 1813: operations sur les communications de l'armée, combat d'Altenburg – 28 Septembre 1813. Paris: Librairie Militaire Berger-Levault, 1891. 138 pages.

Did some more looking. I have access to a copy but not until Monday. If no answer by then, I will have the volume sent over to me.

Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 6:21 p.m. PST

Found a small amount of information:

"… contre les corps de Thielman, Baumgarten, la brigade Piré formant l'arrièie-garde eut à fournir des charges nombreuses et souvent heureuses."

From "Martinien on-line":

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Officier casualties by French regiment:
26.09.1813 Altenburg Gardejäger zu Pferd 1
27.09.1813 Altenburg Gardejäger zu Pferd 1
28.09.1813 Altenburg Mamelucken der Garde 2
28.09.1813 Altenburg 13. Kürassiere 1
28.09.1813 Altenburg 2. Chevaulegers der Garde 1
28.09.1813 Altenburg Gardegrenadiere zu Pferd 1

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Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 6:35 p.m. PST

"Notizen über die Theilnahme der Großherzogl. Badischen Truppen an der Schlacht bei Leipzig 1813" In: Militär-Wochenblatt. 15.1830, S. 4233-4234, 4235-4237. English translation:
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"The 2nd Infantry Brigade not only had a very strenuous service in Leipzig, but it was as well often used to provide escorts or to make raids, and because of this it was considerably weakened. The most painful loss was suffered in during the combat near Altenburg on 28th August. Here four companies of the 2nd Infantry Regiment [Infanterie-Regiment No.2 ‘Markgraf Wilhelm'], which had been assigned to General Lefebvre-Desnouettes on his expedition against General von Thielmann, were first ran over by routing French cavalry, then taken prisoner after having resisted bravely. Although the 2nd Infantry Regiment was reorganised into two battalions again, each had four companies only."

Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 6:46 p.m. PST

Gefecht bei Altenburg und Zeitz:

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Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 6:52 p.m. PST

"Gefecht bei Altenburg. Den 28. September 18I3"

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Steven H Smith31 Oct 2009 10:06 p.m. PST

Das Gefecht bei Altenburg:

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Cuirassier02 Nov 2009 8:25 p.m. PST

Thanks, Steve. If only I could read German. If you have more info, please post.

General Castex of the French Guard cavalry was wounded on the knee at Altenbourg.

Steven H Smith02 Nov 2009 8:42 p.m. PST

Cuirassier,

I learned this afternoon that the copy I hoped to secure has been missing from the library since 2002! I am in the process of obtaining another copy, but it may be several weeks. This book should be the authority on the battle. The author is quite thourough.

Did you look at the Wikipedia article? It has quite a bit of info related to your question.

A search of 'Altenburg + 1813' on Google books yields quite a bit of info.

Steve

Cuirassier05 Nov 2009 1:05 p.m. PST

"Did you look at the Wikipedia article? It has quite a bit of info related to your question."

Yes, I took a look at the article. Thanks again, Steve.

Apparently, Thielmann achieved complete surprise.

Steven H Smith05 Nov 2009 4:46 p.m. PST

Not bad for a 'mere' Saxon and a bunch of Russian! <;^}

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